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You want them to be Google's vassal state and wait for death instead of trying to become self-sustainable? Defeatist mentality if I've ever seen one.

Kuinox 2y ago
I want them to not replicate google. I use Firefox to fight ads, not to get ads in my searchbar.
- deprecative 2y ago
  Ironic that ads are what Google uses to pay Mozilla so you(we) can use Firefox.
  - immibis 2y ago
    You assume that Firefox can't exist without Mozilla. Thunderbird got a lot better after divorcing from Mozilla.
    - dralley 2y ago
      A) Firefox is vastly bigger and more complicated than Thunderbird B) Email protocols aren't a moving target to the degree that the web is C) Thunderbird has the benefit of being able to freeload off the base platform development that Firefox continues to do, although of course it's a lot of work even to adapt to those changes.
autoexec 2y ago
> You want them to be Google's vassal state and wait for death instead of trying to become self-sustainable? There's no shortage of privacy respecting open source software that somehow doesn't have to choose between depending on Google and selling out their users. Firefox knows that most people won't opt out. They're choosing to take Google's money and screw over their users at the same time.
mardifoufs 2y ago
That's what they are and have been for like 8 years. It's fine. It would be more productive to put it to good use on the browser. I'm not saying that they shouldn't have tried but... they did for almost a decade and they aren't remotely close to being able to sustain themselves without google. It's not defeatist to say that making up for the 600m$/year might be a bit of an unreachable goal at this point. Chasing ghosts isn't more sustainable than the money from google. Yes it's a business relationship. but I'm not sure how they aren't completely "vassalized", to use your term, at this point already. It's not a potential problem, if google stops paying they would shutdown in a matter of months. It's not a bad thing, Firefox as we know it wouldn't exist by now otherwise
sp332 2y ago
If they just turn into another Google then what was the point?

Kuinox 2y ago

I want them to not replicate google. I use Firefox to fight ads, not to get ads in my searchbar.

deprecative 2y ago
Ironic that ads are what Google uses to pay Mozilla so you(we) can use Firefox.
- immibis 2y ago
  You assume that Firefox can't exist without Mozilla. Thunderbird got a lot better after divorcing from Mozilla.
  - dralley 2y ago
    A) Firefox is vastly bigger and more complicated than Thunderbird B) Email protocols aren't a moving target to the degree that the web is C) Thunderbird has the benefit of being able to freeload off the base platform development that Firefox continues to do, although of course it's a lot of work even to adapt to those changes.

autoexec 2y ago

> You want them to be Google's vassal state and wait for death instead of trying to become self-sustainable? There's no shortage of privacy respecting open source software that somehow doesn't have to choose between depending on Google and selling out their users. Firefox knows that most people won't opt out. They're choosing to take Google's money and screw over their users at the same time.

mardifoufs 2y ago

That's what they are and have been for like 8 years. It's fine. It would be more productive to put it to good use on the browser. I'm not saying that they shouldn't have tried but... they did for almost a decade and they aren't remotely close to being able to sustain themselves without google. It's not defeatist to say that making up for the 600m$/year might be a bit of an unreachable goal at this point. Chasing ghosts isn't more sustainable than the money from google. Yes it's a business relationship. but I'm not sure how they aren't completely "vassalized", to use your term, at this point already. It's not a potential problem, if google stops paying they would shutdown in a matter of months. It's not a bad thing, Firefox as we know it wouldn't exist by now otherwise

sp332 2y ago

If they just turn into another Google then what was the point?