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For me, the 12” MacBook ended up being superior to the iPadOS experience. It’s the lightest laptop ever made I could find at the time and a similar form factor

by j45 2y ago

For me, the 12” MacBook ended up being superior to the iPadOS experience. It’s the lightest laptop ever made I could find at the time and a similar form factor and weight to an iPad with keyboard. If Apple ever released a 12” MacBook again with Apple silicon I’d go pick one up immediately, and likely use it more than my MacBook Pro. Having a super light full desktop experience without the time required to tap extra gestures was much better. iPad also was a pretend computer for a long time until it got mouse support, then specifically built in to the keyboard.

arcanemachiner 2y ago
> iPad also was a pretend computer for a long time until it got mouse support That was a very important step forward. Now, it is a pretend computer with mouse support.
- j45 2y ago
  Haha. That's true. Apple's resistance to a mouse continued with the resistance to having a mouse pointer. A Surface Pro running MacOS would be the real game changer. Being touch-first is much more inefficient than using a mouse and keyboard. The pageantry of taps and swipes needed add up to a lot of time, and knowing the difference, it can be difficult to justify the effort. Maybe I'm missing a detail. Apple is excellent at introducing technology to beginners (just use your finger), it doesn't mean it's the most productive or effective.
ngcc_hk 2y ago
Love that as well. Even M1 12" would be a better device.
- j45 2y ago
  Since Apple is known to be the most prolific iterator of building working hardware during design.. that and more probably exists :(
denimnerd42 2y ago
was just thinking the other day due to the latest iPad release.. I dont know how people stand to use an iPad when you can get a 13" Macbook air or in your case the 12" and just use that. Just the fact that the screen is held to the correct angle for 90% of use cases is huge. Sitting.. lounging.. I can't even really think of a regular use case I have where the iPad ergonomics are better.
taude 2y ago
I loved my old 11" MB Air. That was the perfect form factor for my lighter workloads, and was perfect for manager life.
- j45 2y ago
  I have a friend still using his 9 years later. He is non-technical and it took some bullying to get him to max out the ram and cpu but he never imagined an 11" wouldn't be availbale in the future and assumed he'd upgrade. The 11" was excellent. If there was a newer version, the bezels would be much smaller, and maybe a different kind of 12" could fit in it. There is not much that is interesting after so many new devices, but an 11" or 12" would be something I'd want quickly enough to line up for it.

by j45 2y ago

arcanemachiner 2y ago

> iPad also was a pretend computer for a long time until it got mouse support That was a very important step forward. Now, it is a pretend computer with mouse support.

j45 2y ago
Haha. That's true. Apple's resistance to a mouse continued with the resistance to having a mouse pointer. A Surface Pro running MacOS would be the real game changer. Being touch-first is much more inefficient than using a mouse and keyboard. The pageantry of taps and swipes needed add up to a lot of time, and knowing the difference, it can be difficult to justify the effort. Maybe I'm missing a detail. Apple is excellent at introducing technology to beginners (just use your finger), it doesn't mean it's the most productive or effective.

ngcc_hk 2y ago

Love that as well. Even M1 12" would be a better device.

j45 2y ago
Since Apple is known to be the most prolific iterator of building working hardware during design.. that and more probably exists :(

denimnerd42 2y ago

was just thinking the other day due to the latest iPad release.. I dont know how people stand to use an iPad when you can get a 13" Macbook air or in your case the 12" and just use that. Just the fact that the screen is held to the correct angle for 90% of use cases is huge. Sitting.. lounging.. I can't even really think of a regular use case I have where the iPad ergonomics are better.

taude 2y ago

I loved my old 11" MB Air. That was the perfect form factor for my lighter workloads, and was perfect for manager life.

j45 2y ago
I have a friend still using his 9 years later. He is non-technical and it took some bullying to get him to max out the ram and cpu but he never imagined an 11" wouldn't be availbale in the future and assumed he'd upgrade. The 11" was excellent. If there was a newer version, the bezels would be much smaller, and maybe a different kind of 12" could fit in it. There is not much that is interesting after so many new devices, but an 11" or 12" would be something I'd want quickly enough to line up for it.