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Why is this minor complaint that's fixed by any one of the many official and unofficial keyboard attachments at the top of HN on an article about fundamental is

by mort96 2y ago

Why is this minor complaint that's fixed by any one of the many official and unofficial keyboard attachments at the top of HN on an article about fundamental issues which can't be fixed without major iPadOS changes

makeitdouble 2y ago
Don't you still need to select the text in the first place ?
- mort96 2y ago
  Sometimes, and you can do that with the touch pad Look at the pictures here: https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MWR43LL/A/magic-keyboard-for-ipad-pro-13%E2%80%91inch-m4-us-english-white https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MWR43LL/A/magic-keyboard-... -- does this device look significantly worse for text input than your typical laptop?
  - makeitdouble 2y ago
    You're then relying on an accessory to guarantee text selection. I'm totally with you: the iPad looks like a competent device from every angle. That's why it's so sad it's only the looks and you have to bend over backwards for basic stuff like selecting a text from a web page or an app straight touching the screen. For comparison, as much as Windows is ugly and inelegant, there's no basic action on a Surface Pro that requires an attached touch pad.
    - mort96 2y ago
      I'm sure that the people who primarily use the iPad for drawing are happy that they don't need to have a keyboard attached at all times.
      - makeitdouble 2y ago
        So the iPad should be viewed as a glorified MobileStudio Pro ? If I'm really into drawing why would I not go with Wacom then ? The range of pro/power users happy with the iPad right now looks awfully small to me. [0] https://www.wacom.com/en-us/products/pen-computers/wacom-mobilestudio-pro https://www.wacom.com/en-us/products/pen-computers/wacom-mob...
        mort96 2y ago
        ... people who want to use their iPad primarily for writing will want a keyboard + touchpad people who want to use their iPad primarily for drawing probably won't want a keyboard or touchpad I don't know why someone would choose an iPad for drawing rather than a MobileStudio Pro, you'd have to ask someone who draws on an iPad. Personally, my iPad is purely a video and reading device, so I'm not the target audience for either. I'm guessing you aren't either.
        makeitdouble 2y ago
        We're in agreement on all these specific niches the iPad is supposed to fill. On how much it's filling them correctly, outside of people's feelings we only have a few indicators; I'd say this few years' steadily declining sales could be the best summary ?
        mort96 2y ago
        Listen dude all I'm saying is that editing text is pretty good on an iPad if you have a keyboard for it. That's it. I don't know what broader market trends or product design flaws are being revealed by sales numbers or anything like that, that's not the conversation I'm having.

by mort96 2y ago

makeitdouble 2y ago

Don't you still need to select the text in the first place ?

mort96 2y ago
Sometimes, and you can do that with the touch pad Look at the pictures here: https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MWR43LL/A/magic-keyboard-for-ipad-pro-13%E2%80%91inch-m4-us-english-white https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MWR43LL/A/magic-keyboard-... -- does this device look significantly worse for text input than your typical laptop?
- makeitdouble 2y ago
  You're then relying on an accessory to guarantee text selection. I'm totally with you: the iPad looks like a competent device from every angle. That's why it's so sad it's only the looks and you have to bend over backwards for basic stuff like selecting a text from a web page or an app straight touching the screen. For comparison, as much as Windows is ugly and inelegant, there's no basic action on a Surface Pro that requires an attached touch pad.
  - mort96 2y ago
    I'm sure that the people who primarily use the iPad for drawing are happy that they don't need to have a keyboard attached at all times.
    - makeitdouble 2y ago
      So the iPad should be viewed as a glorified MobileStudio Pro ? If I'm really into drawing why would I not go with Wacom then ? The range of pro/power users happy with the iPad right now looks awfully small to me. [0] https://www.wacom.com/en-us/products/pen-computers/wacom-mobilestudio-pro https://www.wacom.com/en-us/products/pen-computers/wacom-mob...
      - mort96 2y ago
        ... people who want to use their iPad primarily for writing will want a keyboard + touchpad people who want to use their iPad primarily for drawing probably won't want a keyboard or touchpad I don't know why someone would choose an iPad for drawing rather than a MobileStudio Pro, you'd have to ask someone who draws on an iPad. Personally, my iPad is purely a video and reading device, so I'm not the target audience for either. I'm guessing you aren't either.
        makeitdouble 2y ago
        We're in agreement on all these specific niches the iPad is supposed to fill. On how much it's filling them correctly, outside of people's feelings we only have a few indicators; I'd say this few years' steadily declining sales could be the best summary ?
        mort96 2y ago
        Listen dude all I'm saying is that editing text is pretty good on an iPad if you have a keyboard for it. That's it. I don't know what broader market trends or product design flaws are being revealed by sales numbers or anything like that, that's not the conversation I'm having.