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Until your banking or ID app doesn't work as you need Google Play services, or WhatsApp notifications don't work, etc.
by GardenLetter27 2y ago
Until your banking or ID app doesn't work as you need Google Play services, or WhatsApp notifications don't work, etc.
- bondarchuk 2y agoI've been daily driving Lineageos with MicroG on a cheap Motorola and have had no problems with Whatsapp at all. (Thankfully I've been able to avoid banking or ID apps so can't chime in on that)
- Perz1val 2y agoLineageOS microG on Moto G52: My banking app works fine, it does detect something, but only refuses to setup fingerprint unlocking
- tim1994 2y agoYou can use Google Play services on Lineage os. IIRC they are installed by default though there are ways to use it without them (doing that right now). About banking apps idk.
- planede 2y agoGoogle Play is not installed by default, you need to additionally flash it before first booting it.
- beretguy 2y agoYeah, look for a bank that does not require you to have a smartphone.
- Tainnor 2y agoIn Europe, bank transactions have mandatory 2FA. In most cases that means a smartphone apps though many banks also offer a physical device. But you have to pay for the latter, and if you have different accounts at different banks, there's a good chance the devices aren't compatible with each other. Smartphones are the easiest option for most people.
- bondarchuk 2y agoAll major banks here have either a personalized physical thingamajig or a generic one that you put your card in, I opened an account with a new bank not too long ago and I got this for free, never heard of anyone having to pay for it.
- beretguy 2y agoThen keep a dedicated smartphone for bank purposes only. I already do that with iPhones in usa. I have se 1 Gen as a cellphone on a cheap $7 plan, and a se2 Gen as a pda of sorts on a “unlimited” plan. There are multiple benefits to it. Like when I browse on my pda phone I don’t have to worry about draining battery on phone. I only charge my phone (se1) about twice a week.
- karma_pharmer 2y agoSorry to hear your banking system sucks. Try being your own bank. Dump the fiat.
- card_zero 2y agoDon't they support 2FA as a text message to your dumbphone?
- Tainnor 2y agoNo that's been explicitly disallowed (text messages are notoriously insecure).
- jeroenhd 2y agoThis is covered in the linked post. On my phone, using crDroid (no official lineageos support), I can use Google Pay without problems. This wasn't possible when it was still rooted, so I think root access is what prevented that from working before. As for Google Play, you can just install those right after installing Lineage. Or you use MicroG or something if you don't like the closed source Google services client.
- z8 2y agoEven with Google Play Services working, there's a much more difficult underlying issue that makes for a rather unpleasant user experience with banking apps: SafetyNet Attestation/Play Integrity/CTS profiles/whatever other names there are for it. I remember that ages ago I had to use Magisk and a finnicky Xposed module on my phone to be able to get past the root protection my banking app had. I'll be honest, these days I just don't have the mental energy for those sorts of fights anymore.
- anonymou2 2y agoresistance is futile... you have been assimilated.
- meepmorp 2y agoTNG went off the air 30 years ago - find new references.
- no_way 2y agoEvery one of my phones before was rooted with custom os flashed, but now I feel exactly the same a as you, it's just not worth it. Kinda sad how stuff is being more and mored locked down.
- netsharc 2y ago> I remember that ages ago I had to use Magisk and a finnicky Xposed module... Same, funny how we're basically putting "rootkits" on our phones. At the end I also gave up having root on my phone, because it seems the banking app(s) were too clever and detected them.
- crtasm 2y agoWas your phone rooted? I've never rooted mine, running LineageOS since 2016 + minimal Google services. There was a period when my bank's app suddenly decided things weren't "safe" and refused to run but this was many years ago - no issues since.
- prirai 2y agoIt's easier now, after flashing the custom rom, go ahead and flash gapps package of your choice (BitGapps or NikGapps) are worth looking into. Even if you choose the most minimal packages, everything is bound to work just like it does in a normal Android.
- realusername 2y agoI'm amazed this didn't come up yet as a part of the DMA because everything related to the play services and integrity are a blatant antitrust violation.
- Semaphor 2y agoDo you mean root detection? Because running Google apps on lineage OS devices is probably more common than not.
- planede 2y agoMicroG has a LineageOS distribution, they build for all the supported devices by upstream Lineage: https://lineage.microg.org/ https://lineage.microg.org/ That should cover at least the notification side. If I can't bank on a mostly open-source mobile OS than I would rather just not bank on mobile at all. Banking on stock ROM is not an option for me.
- karma_pharmer 2y agoFire your bank if they don't respect your boundaries.
- cess11 2y agoWhere I live the largest consumer banks have a state sanctioned cartel regarding electronic identification. They'll never support Linux, and I won't support anything else on my personal computers, which means I have to use regular Android on my phone so I can use their 'app'.
- rob74 2y ago...and ask your employer to pay out your salary in cash? Doesn't sound very realistic unfortunately. I don't think it's only about banking apps needing the Google services, it might actually be that they refuse to run on rooted phones? If there are any banking apps that run on LineageOS, kudos to them - if they are available in Germany, tell me so I can switch...
- medo-bear 2y agoJust curious, why do you need a banking app on your phone?
- cess11 2y agoI need the bank's eID-application to authenticate against pretty much all of the public sector, and when I buy tobacco online. The banks were many years ago allowed to develop an electronic identification system and they now totally dominate in this space, and that's what the public sector generally supports. It's the 'worse than Soviet' kind of nasty that tend to emerge from liberalist oligarchies.
- jksflkjl3jk3 2y agoWhat country is that? Sounds horrible.
- andres_diaz 2y agoI've been using LineageOS for 2 years now since my 2020 phone started to slow down due to bloatware. From the moment I installed it, the phone became fast again. Regarding notifications, I haven't had any problems with WhatsApp or any other messaging apps. As for my bank, I downloaded the app from the Play Store (I use microG) and I haven't had any issues either. I think it depends on your bank and the restrictions they place. In my personal experience, LineageOS has allowed me to continue using a phone that would have otherwise been thrown away due to planned obsolescence by the manufacturer.
- INTPenis 2y agoYeah we have extensive use of eID here in Sweden and they all require device integrity. https://wiki.lineageos.org/quirks/snet/ https://wiki.lineageos.org/quirks/snet/ It's kinda funny that device integrity is so important to them, implying evil maid attacks, but the most common attack on eID is simply stealing someone's code or convincing them to use their eID over the phone. Of course, with the evil maid attack enabled stealing someone's phone would become much more common, rather like stealing someone's credit card.
- the_third_wave 2y agoAs a counter to this I'll bring up that the Swedish Bank-ID works on all of my devices, all of which are Google-free and have root access, most of which run LineageOS. The Bank-ID client throws up a warning that it "needs Google services to work" after which it continues to work fine without it. I do tend to use older devices - waste not, want not - so things may have changed somewhere past Android 11.
- INTPenis 2y agoI have a hard time believing this. I'll have to look into it, because I do have a spare pixel 6 device I'd like to install Lineage on, but I also want to use it as backup for my BankID.
- the_third_wave 2y agoI use Bank-ID on a 2014 Samsung Galaxy IIIneo running LineageOS as well as on a Galaxy Tab 3, also running LineageOS. I also use it on a Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 running a lobotomised stock distribution. None of these devices have Google services installed, all have root access using Magisk. These devices range from Android 7 (the tablet) to 11 (the Galaxy SIIIneo), i have no data on more recent Android versions.
- plsbenice34 2y agoPixel 6 supports grapheneOS which is massively superior in all ways, at least in my opinion as someone who has used both lineageOS and grapheneOS for many years
- BlueTemplar 2y agoIf you use those apps, you're part of the problem.
- freefaler 2y agoYeah, that's a really big problem for any Android enthusiast who wants to have a root and tinker with the device. I ended up with 2 phones because of that and my second is an iPhone mini, because of the shitty financial apps that didn't work properly on Android. The upside of a walled garden I suppose is that the bank would test it properly on a more consistent iOS.
- rglullis 2y agoTFA says that the intended user does not care about having banking apps on that phone. Also, there is nothing stopping you from just keeping an old phone around just for the banking app. It's not like I really need to do banking on the go, and the app is nothing more than a glorified 2FA app for when I do home banking, on my actual computer.
- 2-3-7-43-1807 2y agowhich is why LOS is exactly not for non-tech savvy folks. he probably proselytized his priorities until his family members couldn't hear it anymore and just surrendered. i hope he has a lot of time because exactly the points you mentioned plus all his "advantages" will come back to haunt him. having said that i love anything anti-google but i'd be careful to advertise it to others.
- decryption 2y agoMy Dad likes his non-Google phone very much! He never had a smartphone in the first place so doesn't use any apps, social media, internet banking, etc. But does like having an easy to use on-screen keyboard. If a "dumbphone" existed with a large touch screen instead of the little 1" screen with a numpad, that would be great.
- decryption 2y agoAgreed - this is a good solution for people that don't want or need any of that stuff. You'd be surprised how many people out there don't do any form of internet banking at all and simply manage their money in the bank branch or over the telephone directly to the bank. For the elderly, it's a great idea to remove their internet banking (or not give them access to it in the first place) and protect them from scammers.