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If you've been in the field you really should know that the term AI has been used to describe things for decades in the academic world. My degree was in AI back

by IanCal 2y ago

If you've been in the field you really should know that the term AI has been used to describe things for decades in the academic world. My degree was in AI back before RBMs and Hintons big reveal about making things 100000 times faster (do the main step just once not 100 times and take 17 years to figure that out). You're talking more about AGI. We need "that's not AI" discussions like we need more "serverless? It's still on some server!!" discussions.

mewpmewp2 2y ago
I think it's even incomparable to server vs serverless discussions. It's about meaning of intelligence. These people don't have problems claiming that ants or dolphins are intelligent, but suddenly for machines to be classified as artificial intelligence they must be exactly on the same level as humans. Intelligence is just about the ability to solve problems. There's no implication that in order for something to be intelligent it has to perform on at least the same level as top people in that field in the World. It just has to be beyond a simple algorithm and be able to solve some sort of problem. You have AIs in video games that are just bare logic spaghetti computation with no neural networks.
- BenFranklin100 2y ago
  By your definition, a handheld calculator from the 1960s is ‘AI’. In other words, you’ve lost the argument.
  - mewpmewp2 2y ago
    I said beyond a simple algorithm.
  - IanCal 2y ago
    Or you're using AI as a term differently to the people in the field. SVMs are extremely simple, two layer perceptrons are things you can work out by hand! Just stop trying to redefine AI as a term, you'll lose against the old hands and you'll lose against the marketing dept and you'll lose against the tech bros and nobody who you actually need to explain it to will care. Use AGI or some other common term for what you're clearly talking about.
BenFranklin100 2y ago
So, the ‘revolutionary’, ‘earth-shattering, ‘soon-to-make-humans obsolete’ talk about ChatGPT is all bullshit and this is just another regular, run-of-the-mill development with the label of ‘AI’ slapped on somewhere, just like all the others from the last 40 years? What in the hell is even your point then? Is ChatGPt a revolutionary precursor to AGI if not AGI already? I say it’s not.

by IanCal 2y ago

mewpmewp2 2y ago

I think it's even incomparable to server vs serverless discussions. It's about meaning of intelligence. These people don't have problems claiming that ants or dolphins are intelligent, but suddenly for machines to be classified as artificial intelligence they must be exactly on the same level as humans. Intelligence is just about the ability to solve problems. There's no implication that in order for something to be intelligent it has to perform on at least the same level as top people in that field in the World. It just has to be beyond a simple algorithm and be able to solve some sort of problem. You have AIs in video games that are just bare logic spaghetti computation with no neural networks.

BenFranklin100 2y ago
By your definition, a handheld calculator from the 1960s is ‘AI’. In other words, you’ve lost the argument.
- mewpmewp2 2y ago
  I said beyond a simple algorithm.
- IanCal 2y ago
  Or you're using AI as a term differently to the people in the field. SVMs are extremely simple, two layer perceptrons are things you can work out by hand! Just stop trying to redefine AI as a term, you'll lose against the old hands and you'll lose against the marketing dept and you'll lose against the tech bros and nobody who you actually need to explain it to will care. Use AGI or some other common term for what you're clearly talking about.

BenFranklin100 2y ago

So, the ‘revolutionary’, ‘earth-shattering, ‘soon-to-make-humans obsolete’ talk about ChatGPT is all bullshit and this is just another regular, run-of-the-mill development with the label of ‘AI’ slapped on somewhere, just like all the others from the last 40 years? What in the hell is even your point then? Is ChatGPt a revolutionary precursor to AGI if not AGI already? I say it’s not.