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You have it completely inverted. I am talking about the indigenous people returning to their land. I am talking about the original (and much more prolific) reli

by dakom 2y ago

You have it completely inverted. I am talking about the indigenous people returning to their land. I am talking about the original (and much more prolific) religious claims to land being restored over subsequent weak-claimed usurpers. That's literally the opposite of colonialism. (by "weak" I just mean the opposite of prolific.. not sure what the right word would be there, i.e. Judaism has super strong ties to Israel- agricultural laws of orlah and shemittah, recorded purchase and significance of Hebron, daily prayer for over 2000 years to rebuild Jerusalem. No other religion has anywhere near this strong of a connection to the land).

dunekid 2y ago
I am not sure who do you mean by usurpers. Here is the colonisers association, tasked with creating colonies: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Colonisation_Association https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Colonisation_Associat... The colony in Palestine took off, due to the British preference of solidifying european control over Ottoman region, and the convenient façade of the historical claim. People lived there before this are descendents of those who lived there in the past. Many stayed even after the expulsion by Romans, many returned. Some, obviously would have changed their faith, but none of that gives the European descendents any more right over it. We can all colonise Ethiopia if we were to go on like this.
- dakom 2y ago
  Starting in the 1800's is pretty arbitrary. Try going back a couple thousand years. I am not interested in debating Ethiopia, I know nothing about it, and wouldn't presume to take a strong position on a subject I know so little about. "Usurpers" in that context was specifically about religious claim, where Islam has both a far weaker and far later claim than Judaism
  - racional 2y ago
    Try going back a couple thousand years. And then a few more, for good measure. The only legitimate heirs to the region are the Bronze Age Canaanites. The only legitimate religious claim is held by the followers of El and Asherah. All others are usurpers and latecomers.

by dakom 2y ago

dunekid 2y ago

I am not sure who do you mean by usurpers. Here is the colonisers association, tasked with creating colonies: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Colonisation_Association https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Colonisation_Associat... The colony in Palestine took off, due to the British preference of solidifying european control over Ottoman region, and the convenient façade of the historical claim. People lived there before this are descendents of those who lived there in the past. Many stayed even after the expulsion by Romans, many returned. Some, obviously would have changed their faith, but none of that gives the European descendents any more right over it. We can all colonise Ethiopia if we were to go on like this.

dakom 2y ago
Starting in the 1800's is pretty arbitrary. Try going back a couple thousand years. I am not interested in debating Ethiopia, I know nothing about it, and wouldn't presume to take a strong position on a subject I know so little about. "Usurpers" in that context was specifically about religious claim, where Islam has both a far weaker and far later claim than Judaism
- racional 2y ago
  Try going back a couple thousand years. And then a few more, for good measure. The only legitimate heirs to the region are the Bronze Age Canaanites. The only legitimate religious claim is held by the followers of El and Asherah. All others are usurpers and latecomers.