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"real-world impacts remain modest so far." Really? My Google usage has went down with 90% (it would just lead me to some really bad take from a journalist anywa

"real-world impacts remain modest so far." Really? My Google usage has went down with 90% (it would just lead me to some really bad take from a journalist anyway, while ChatGPT can just hand me the latest research and knows my level of expertise). Sure it is not so helpful at work, but if OpenAI hasnt impacted the world I fail to see which company have in this decade.

Sabinus 2y ago
If Google hadn't ruined Search to help Advertising perhaps it wouldn't have been such a stark comparison in information quality.
- tux1968 2y ago
  It will be interesting to see how they compare, years from now, when ChatGPT has been similarly compromised.
  - sharpshadow 2y ago
    It might not happen in that way since there are alternatives available. Google had/has a monopoly on search.
    - zorowithenma 2y ago
      For the premium subscribers it'll be good, but they'll sure ruin the experience for free tier just like Spotify cause they just can't keep their business sustainable without showing vc's some profits.
- d1sxeyes 2y ago
  Search was always a byproduct of Advertising. Don’t blame Google for sticking to their business model. We were naive to think we could have nice things for free.
  - phatfish 2y ago
    Found the zoomer.
  - sethammons 2y ago
    When google search first appeared, it had nothing to do with advertising. In fact, the founders wrote a paper on why advertising would be bad.
- selfmodruntime 2y ago
  There is little other way of making money from search.
kortilla 2y ago
“Replaced Google” is definitely an impact, but it’s nothing compared to the people that were claiming entire industries would be wiped out nearly overnight (programming, screenwriting, live support, etc).
- monk_e_boy 2y ago
  colleges are seeing apprentices placements drop - why train an apprentice for two years when ChatGPT will do the work for them?
  - jug 2y ago
    We should be thinking pretty hard right about now why this kind of progress and saving these expenses is a BAD thing for humanity. The answer will touch deeply ingrained ideas about what and who should underpin and benefit from progress and value in society.
- jdietrich 2y ago
  Speak to some illustrators or voiceover artists - they're talking in very bleak terms about their future, because so many of them are literally being told by clients that their services are no longer required due to AI. A double-digit reduction in demand is manageable on aggregate, but it's devastating at the margin. White-collar workers having to drive Ubers or deliver packages because their jobs have been taken over by AI is no longer a hypothetical.
  - greg_V 2y ago
    We had this in content writing and marketing last year. A lot of layoffs were going to happen anyway due to the end of ZIRP, AI came just at the right time, and so restructuring came bundled with "..and we are doing it with AI!". It definitely took out a lot of jobs from the lowest rungs of the market, but on the more specialized / upper end of the ladder wages got actually higher and a lot of companies got burned, and now they have to readjust. It's rolling over slowly still, as there a lot of companies selling AI products and in turn new companies adopting those products. But it tells you a lot that A) a company selling an AI assistant last year is now totally tied to automating busy work tasks around marketing and sales B) AI writing companies are some of the busiest in employing human talent for... writing and editorial roles! It's all very peculiar. I haven't seen anything like this in the past 15 years... maybe the financial crisis and big data was similar, but much much smaller at scale.
osigurdson 2y ago
Ironically, I was like that for a while, but now use regular google search again quite a bit. A lot of times, good old stack overflow is best.
- galaxyLogic 2y ago
  I use Google and it gives me AI answers. But I agree seems SO often helps more than Google-AI.
- bobviolier 2y ago
  The questions I ask ChatGPT have (almost) no monetary value for Google (programming, math, etc). The questions I still ask Google, have a lot of monetary value (restaurants, cloths, movie, etc).
anon373839 2y ago
I believe you, and I do turn to an LLM over Google for some queries where I'm not concerned about hallucination. (I use Llama 3 most of the time, because the privacy is absolute.) But OpenAI is having a hard time retaining/increasing ChatGPT users. Also, Alphabet's stock is about as valuable as it's ever been. So I don't think we have evidence that this is really challenging Google's search dominance.
- danielscrubs 2y ago
  Google is an ad company. Ad prices are on an auction and most companies believe that they need ads. Less customers don't necessarily mean that the earnings go down, as when the clicks go down the prices might go up (without ad competitors). Ergo, they don't compete (yet at least). But ChatGPT has really hurt Google's brand image.

Sabinus 2y ago

If Google hadn't ruined Search to help Advertising perhaps it wouldn't have been such a stark comparison in information quality.

tux1968 2y ago
It will be interesting to see how they compare, years from now, when ChatGPT has been similarly compromised.
- sharpshadow 2y ago
  It might not happen in that way since there are alternatives available. Google had/has a monopoly on search.
  - zorowithenma 2y ago
    For the premium subscribers it'll be good, but they'll sure ruin the experience for free tier just like Spotify cause they just can't keep their business sustainable without showing vc's some profits.
d1sxeyes 2y ago
Search was always a byproduct of Advertising. Don’t blame Google for sticking to their business model. We were naive to think we could have nice things for free.
- phatfish 2y ago
  Found the zoomer.
- sethammons 2y ago
  When google search first appeared, it had nothing to do with advertising. In fact, the founders wrote a paper on why advertising would be bad.
selfmodruntime 2y ago
There is little other way of making money from search.

kortilla 2y ago

“Replaced Google” is definitely an impact, but it’s nothing compared to the people that were claiming entire industries would be wiped out nearly overnight (programming, screenwriting, live support, etc).

monk_e_boy 2y ago
colleges are seeing apprentices placements drop - why train an apprentice for two years when ChatGPT will do the work for them?
- jug 2y ago
  We should be thinking pretty hard right about now why this kind of progress and saving these expenses is a BAD thing for humanity. The answer will touch deeply ingrained ideas about what and who should underpin and benefit from progress and value in society.
jdietrich 2y ago
Speak to some illustrators or voiceover artists - they're talking in very bleak terms about their future, because so many of them are literally being told by clients that their services are no longer required due to AI. A double-digit reduction in demand is manageable on aggregate, but it's devastating at the margin. White-collar workers having to drive Ubers or deliver packages because their jobs have been taken over by AI is no longer a hypothetical.
- greg_V 2y ago
  We had this in content writing and marketing last year. A lot of layoffs were going to happen anyway due to the end of ZIRP, AI came just at the right time, and so restructuring came bundled with "..and we are doing it with AI!". It definitely took out a lot of jobs from the lowest rungs of the market, but on the more specialized / upper end of the ladder wages got actually higher and a lot of companies got burned, and now they have to readjust. It's rolling over slowly still, as there a lot of companies selling AI products and in turn new companies adopting those products. But it tells you a lot that A) a company selling an AI assistant last year is now totally tied to automating busy work tasks around marketing and sales B) AI writing companies are some of the busiest in employing human talent for... writing and editorial roles! It's all very peculiar. I haven't seen anything like this in the past 15 years... maybe the financial crisis and big data was similar, but much much smaller at scale.

osigurdson 2y ago

Ironically, I was like that for a while, but now use regular google search again quite a bit. A lot of times, good old stack overflow is best.

galaxyLogic 2y ago
I use Google and it gives me AI answers. But I agree seems SO often helps more than Google-AI.
bobviolier 2y ago
The questions I ask ChatGPT have (almost) no monetary value for Google (programming, math, etc). The questions I still ask Google, have a lot of monetary value (restaurants, cloths, movie, etc).

anon373839 2y ago

I believe you, and I do turn to an LLM over Google for some queries where I'm not concerned about hallucination. (I use Llama 3 most of the time, because the privacy is absolute.) But OpenAI is having a hard time retaining/increasing ChatGPT users. Also, Alphabet's stock is about as valuable as it's ever been. So I don't think we have evidence that this is really challenging Google's search dominance.

danielscrubs 2y ago
Google is an ad company. Ad prices are on an auction and most companies believe that they need ads. Less customers don't necessarily mean that the earnings go down, as when the clicks go down the prices might go up (without ad competitors). Ergo, they don't compete (yet at least). But ChatGPT has really hurt Google's brand image.