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Yes, I know about the virtual trackpad, and it's still a pain in the butt to use. Before touch-and-hold, there was the faster deep press, which was better albei

Yes, I know about the virtual trackpad, and it's still a pain in the butt to use. Before touch-and-hold, there was the faster deep press, which was better albeit not great, and the current setup is a regression. "add a keyboard" isn't an answer.

walterbell 2y ago
> "add a keyboard" isn't an answer. The best keyboard in the history of mobile computing was by Blackberry. Blackberry (original and clone) physical keyboards are now available for both Android & iPhone, with some effort.
- dgellow 2y ago
  IMHO the best keyboard was from the N900
  - walterbell 2y ago
    Psion/Communicator palmtop derivatives did have the space advantage of a landscape form factor. Sadly we never got a hardware successor for the dearly departed N900 Maemo and N9 Meego.
ako 2y ago
Add a keyboard is an answer. On-screen keyboard will always be more limited, but I can accept that, as long as it’s good enough for situations where i can’t use an external keyboard. In situations where I know I will have to do a lot of text entry, it’s easy enough to add a keyboard, or use dictation. I use the same Bluetooth mechanical keyboard, Nuphy air 75, on both my MacBook Pro and my iPad, so keyboard experience is same for both, and both come with a suboptimal keyboard out of the box, including the MacBook Pro.
- gcanyon 2y ago
  "Add a keyboard" isn't an answer to the point raised, which is that the virtual keyboard on iOS is highly-sub-optimal, and Apple isn't working hard enough to improve it.
  - ako 2y ago
    For an on screen keyboard I find it far from highly-sub-optimal, I think it’s pretty decent. More importantly, it’s not realistic to think it will ever be as good as a real keyboard for lot of text entry. I expect dictation to do a better job for data entry. In fact, this comment was created using dictation on an iPad, almost flawless, not much editing needed afterwards, and you can always use a keyboards if you prefer.

walterbell 2y ago

> "add a keyboard" isn't an answer. The best keyboard in the history of mobile computing was by Blackberry. Blackberry (original and clone) physical keyboards are now available for both Android & iPhone, with some effort.

dgellow 2y ago
IMHO the best keyboard was from the N900
- walterbell 2y ago
  Psion/Communicator palmtop derivatives did have the space advantage of a landscape form factor. Sadly we never got a hardware successor for the dearly departed N900 Maemo and N9 Meego.

ako 2y ago

Add a keyboard is an answer. On-screen keyboard will always be more limited, but I can accept that, as long as it’s good enough for situations where i can’t use an external keyboard. In situations where I know I will have to do a lot of text entry, it’s easy enough to add a keyboard, or use dictation. I use the same Bluetooth mechanical keyboard, Nuphy air 75, on both my MacBook Pro and my iPad, so keyboard experience is same for both, and both come with a suboptimal keyboard out of the box, including the MacBook Pro.

gcanyon 2y ago
"Add a keyboard" isn't an answer to the point raised, which is that the virtual keyboard on iOS is highly-sub-optimal, and Apple isn't working hard enough to improve it.
- ako 2y ago
  For an on screen keyboard I find it far from highly-sub-optimal, I think it’s pretty decent. More importantly, it’s not realistic to think it will ever be as good as a real keyboard for lot of text entry. I expect dictation to do a better job for data entry. In fact, this comment was created using dictation on an iPad, almost flawless, not much editing needed afterwards, and you can always use a keyboards if you prefer.