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"So does that mean that Autosteer actually makes crashes 59 percent more likely? Probably not. Those 5,714 vehicles represent only a small portion of Tesla's fl

"So does that mean that Autosteer actually makes crashes 59 percent more likely? Probably not. Those 5,714 vehicles represent only a small portion of Tesla's fleet, and there's no way to know if they're representative. And that's the point: it's reckless to try to draw conclusions from such flawed data. NHTSA should have either asked Tesla for more data or left that calculation out of its report entirely."

dhosek 2y ago
Anecdata: I have a 2022 Prius with radar cruise control and lane guidance. During my first road trip, I discovered that the lane guidance actually did steering through curves (I don’t know how tight it handles, but certainly, it handles the kind of curves that are typical of interstate-level highways.¹ Similarly, the cruise control will slow the car down to a full stop if necessary. Of course, while magical by the standards of my previous cars, it’s still rudimentary. It doesn’t do a good job of catching people merging in front of me and slowing down appropriately and while I often use it on surface streets as well (giving me more consistent acceleration and better gas milage), it will happily drive right through a stop sign or red light if there’s no car in front of me coming to a stop. This puts the automation into the danger valley between manual operation and pushing a button in an elevator. Really, anything short of elevator-level automation, especially without high-level training (consider the accidents that happen with jet autopilot even with that training) is ultimately going to be more dangerous on balance because it can lull the operator into a false sense of complacency. ⸻ 1. It also gets very upset if it detects your hands not on the wheel as I discovered when I decided to see if the car really was steering itself through the curves.
- Avi-D-coder 2y ago
  My 2023 corolla will steer straight into a curb if a lane gradually exits. until i learned it's habits driving with the assistance was very stressful.

dhosek 2y ago

Anecdata: I have a 2022 Prius with radar cruise control and lane guidance. During my first road trip, I discovered that the lane guidance actually did steering through curves (I don’t know how tight it handles, but certainly, it handles the kind of curves that are typical of interstate-level highways.¹ Similarly, the cruise control will slow the car down to a full stop if necessary. Of course, while magical by the standards of my previous cars, it’s still rudimentary. It doesn’t do a good job of catching people merging in front of me and slowing down appropriately and while I often use it on surface streets as well (giving me more consistent acceleration and better gas milage), it will happily drive right through a stop sign or red light if there’s no car in front of me coming to a stop. This puts the automation into the danger valley between manual operation and pushing a button in an elevator. Really, anything short of elevator-level automation, especially without high-level training (consider the accidents that happen with jet autopilot even with that training) is ultimately going to be more dangerous on balance because it can lull the operator into a false sense of complacency. ⸻ 1. It also gets very upset if it detects your hands not on the wheel as I discovered when I decided to see if the car really was steering itself through the curves.

Avi-D-coder 2y ago
My 2023 corolla will steer straight into a curb if a lane gradually exits. until i learned it's habits driving with the assistance was very stressful.