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this has not happened to me yet, but as a non-US citizen with a green card, if USBP told me "give us the code or you're not admitted" the next time i try to ent

this has not happened to me yet, but as a non-US citizen with a green card, if USBP told me "give us the code or you're not admitted" the next time i try to enter US, i'm gonna give them the code

lazyasciiart 2y ago
Good choice. The only circumstances where it’s not a big risk to withhold your PIN is when you are a citizen entering your home country. Even then they can turn it into a pretty nasty time for you (as seen by the guy in the article, where they threaten to just keep his stuff).
- dfadsadsf 2y ago
  Depends how much you want to visit the country in question. I will be bummed if I am blocked from visiting EU (I am US citizen) but any other country is kinda irrelevant. If Japan put me on no travel list, I would not care one bit. There is inconvenience of being deported but frankly risk of giving access to all clouds account to random official is just too high. There is also risk of them putting you in jail but I am not sure if unblocking phone really mitigate it.
  - lazyasciiart 2y ago
    All the deportations I’ve heard of where the person arrived by air, they were jailed until they could be put on a flight back. They only say “you can’t come in, now go away” if you’re crossing a border by land - and plenty of countries are going to refuse to let you walk away even then.
ukd1 2y ago
IANAL, but as a green card holder my lawyer told me they cannot deny you entry without an order from an immigration judge (likely if travel was not brief - more than 180 days, or they engaged in illegal activity after leaving the United States as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(13)) - you only have to answer questions about your name and status, nothing more - though, obviously it will likely cause delays. Still, give them the code if you want.
- retrac 2y ago
  It's similar in Canada; permanent residents and citizens have the legal right to reentry and it can't be denied. But that right applies to you, not anything you are carrying. Play that game and you'll probably lose the device to border security.
  - bmitc 2y ago
    Damn. I was fairly certain that U.S. citizens are not subject to such warrantless searches and confiscations, but yet: https://informationsecurity.princeton.edu/sites/g/files/toruqf1121/files/searches_of_electronic_devices_at_the_border_-_faqs_-_march_2017_0.pdf https://informationsecurity.princeton.edu/sites/g/files/toru... It's pretty unbelievable that you have reduced constitutional rights as a citizen re-entering the country.
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  - csomar 2y ago
    Losing the device in such circumstances is definitively the best outcome. There is a shit ton of data that these devices have and the law is so complex that you probably committed a crime somewhere without you realizing it.
- User23 2y ago
  They may not be able to deny entry, but they can hold you indefinitely with no limit even if you’re a citizen.
  - xenospn 2y ago
    Can they deny your request for an attorney?
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this has not happened to me yet, but as a non-US citizen with a green card, if USBP told me "give us the code or you're not admitted" the next time i try to enter US, i'm gonna give them the code

lazyasciiart 2y ago

Good choice. The only circumstances where it’s not a big risk to withhold your PIN is when you are a citizen entering your home country. Even then they can turn it into a pretty nasty time for you (as seen by the guy in the article, where they threaten to just keep his stuff).

dfadsadsf 2y ago
Depends how much you want to visit the country in question. I will be bummed if I am blocked from visiting EU (I am US citizen) but any other country is kinda irrelevant. If Japan put me on no travel list, I would not care one bit. There is inconvenience of being deported but frankly risk of giving access to all clouds account to random official is just too high. There is also risk of them putting you in jail but I am not sure if unblocking phone really mitigate it.
- lazyasciiart 2y ago
  All the deportations I’ve heard of where the person arrived by air, they were jailed until they could be put on a flight back. They only say “you can’t come in, now go away” if you’re crossing a border by land - and plenty of countries are going to refuse to let you walk away even then.

ukd1 2y ago

IANAL, but as a green card holder my lawyer told me they cannot deny you entry without an order from an immigration judge (likely if travel was not brief - more than 180 days, or they engaged in illegal activity after leaving the United States as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(13)) - you only have to answer questions about your name and status, nothing more - though, obviously it will likely cause delays. Still, give them the code if you want.

retrac 2y ago
It's similar in Canada; permanent residents and citizens have the legal right to reentry and it can't be denied. But that right applies to you, not anything you are carrying. Play that game and you'll probably lose the device to border security.
- bmitc 2y ago
  Damn. I was fairly certain that U.S. citizens are not subject to such warrantless searches and confiscations, but yet: https://informationsecurity.princeton.edu/sites/g/files/toruqf1121/files/searches_of_electronic_devices_at_the_border_-_faqs_-_march_2017_0.pdf https://informationsecurity.princeton.edu/sites/g/files/toru... It's pretty unbelievable that you have reduced constitutional rights as a citizen re-entering the country.
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- csomar 2y ago
  Losing the device in such circumstances is definitively the best outcome. There is a shit ton of data that these devices have and the law is so complex that you probably committed a crime somewhere without you realizing it.
User23 2y ago
They may not be able to deny entry, but they can hold you indefinitely with no limit even if you’re a citizen.
- xenospn 2y ago
  Can they deny your request for an attorney?

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