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I’m probably a little odd but I wipe my devices before international travel. All my travel documents are printed. If they want to steal a device, I’ll just repl
by kogir 2y ago
I’m probably a little odd but I wipe my devices before international travel. All my travel documents are printed. If they want to steal a device, I’ll just replace it.
When I arrive safely I restore from backup and nothing is lost except an hour or so.
- shiggaz 2y agoHow do you save and restore the backup?
- j7ake 2y agoiPhone does this with iCloud.
- trueismywork 2y agoThey can technically ask for your included access as well.
- rohansingh 2y agoHow do you login to iCloud without any second factor available?
- mr_toad 2y agoSet up a recovery code (in advance). https://support.apple.com/en-us/109345 https://support.apple.com/en-us/109345
- qingcharles 2y agoAnd test before you leave!
- jackson1442 2y agocould use a hardware key
- ricktdotorg 2y agoi like this. i've wanted to do this. but what might be the "right answer" to an inquisitive border force who ask why you have device(s) that are factory fresh?
- xenospn 2y agothey don’t know your device is factory fresh unless you give them the code.
- ricktdotorg 2y agothis has not happened to me yet, but as a non-US citizen with a green card, if USBP told me "give us the code or you're not admitted" the next time i try to enter US, i'm gonna give them the code
- lazyasciiart 2y agoGood choice. The only circumstances where it’s not a big risk to withhold your PIN is when you are a citizen entering your home country. Even then they can turn it into a pretty nasty time for you (as seen by the guy in the article, where they threaten to just keep his stuff).
- dfadsadsf 2y agoDepends how much you want to visit the country in question. I will be bummed if I am blocked from visiting EU (I am US citizen) but any other country is kinda irrelevant. If Japan put me on no travel list, I would not care one bit. There is inconvenience of being deported but frankly risk of giving access to all clouds account to random official is just too high. There is also risk of them putting you in jail but I am not sure if unblocking phone really mitigate it.
- lazyasciiart 2y agoAll the deportations I’ve heard of where the person arrived by air, they were jailed until they could be put on a flight back. They only say “you can’t come in, now go away” if you’re crossing a border by land - and plenty of countries are going to refuse to let you walk away even then.
- datahack 2y agoA good solution while it remains legal and backups remain unreachable authorities. Are they unreachable? How sure are you? Aren’t you just raising suspicion and acting like a criminal by walking around with wiped devices at International borders? Seems suspicious.
- lolinder 2y agoHow is it suspicious? Buying a burner phone is one of the most common pieces of advice you'll see for traveling internationally [0]. This wiping strategy is just one small step from that, especially if OP doesn't have a current-year flagship smartphone. For most people border patrol is not the biggest threat they face when traveling internationally, and OP's steps are very reasonable ones to take against all manner of non-state-sanctioned thefts. [0] https://global.psu.edu/article/travel-safety-tips-know-you-go https://global.psu.edu/article/travel-safety-tips-know-you-g...
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> Buying a burner phone is one of the most common pieces of advice you'll see for traveling internationally Purchasing a burner phone, as the article describes, and carrying a wiped personal device are generally seen quite differently.
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- lolinder 2y ago> generally seen quite differently. Generally seen by whom? Do you have a citation for this claim? I have a very hard time imagining how one would go about telling the difference unless it's a current year flagship smartphone.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> Generally seen by whom? Do you have a citation for this claim? By border security. Citation is having worked with ITAR materials in the past, and thus having been required by law to carry clean devices. I had a letter saying my blank phone and laptop were normal. (Only had to use it once, because I was only asked to unlock once.) > hard time imagining how one would go about telling the difference unless it's a current year flagship smartphone Any expensive device that doesn't appear to have been purchased for that trip that has zero communications, contacts or other items border security might be curious about will raise eyebrows. Side note: I still recommend wiping devices and restoring on the other side. But that's quite different from this being best practice. Buying a burner phone is, though that's less and less feasible as we integrate smartphones into our lives.
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- pubg 2y agoHow do you hail an Uber or Lyft upon arrival? Endpoint navigation is not optional for me. I suppose you could pre-login to only those apps, but still, there is nothing that interesting on my phone that I want to spend the energy to wipe, restore, and re-login to a hundred apps.
- chmod775 2y agoHow is that a big deal? Half the time you'd have to install the local equivalent of those ride hailing services anyways - that is if regular local cabs aren't the preferred way to get around. I use like 2-3 apps for getting around, depending on country. I don't know what you're doing with hundreds.
- mr_toad 2y agoBuy a cheap phone at the airport? Or just phone a cab? It’s been a while but back in the day we used to travel without any phone at all. There’s nothing interesting on my phone either - except keychain, which would give someone access to nearly all my online accounts.
- IncreasePosts 2y agoYou just need to remember one password for your password manager account, and then you don't need to remember any others.
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- zoklet-enjoyer 2y agoWhat I've done in the past is just buy a new phone at the airport. Just make a new account or remember your login
- atrettel 2y agoThis is not nearly as odd as it may seem to some people. Many federal agencies and DOE national laboratories use a similar procedure to this by issuing you separate temporary devices while on international travel. That basically requires you to only bring the files that you need if you bring any of them at all.
- illiac786 2y agoHow do you deal with banking apps, the type where you confirm a credit card transaction? They cannot be restored from backup, need to be setup fresh on every new phone…
- bmitc 2y agoHow do you handle authenticator apps, which do not backup to the cloud, and other two-factor authentication related things?
- bramhaag 2y agoNot OP, but I use Aegis [1] for 2FA which can create encrypted backups. They're synced automatically to my NextCloud instance with the NextCloud app. [1] https://github.com/beemdevelopment/Aegis https://github.com/beemdevelopment/Aegis
- LoganDark 2y agoKeePassXC is a TOTP authenticator and it saves to a file. You can put the file anywhere you like. You can, given the correct master password, open the file again on any device and generate TOTP codes.
- Larrikin 2y ago1password works just fine with OTP across all my devices. Using an authentication method tied directly to and dependent on my phone seems extremely risky and short sighted. A phone can be lost, fall out your pocket into a toilet, etc and those are just accidents. They also basically have a max life time of five years. What happens when you buy a new phone?
- bmitc 2y agoWell yea, but many big players do that: Google Authenticator, Microsoft Authenticator, Duo, Okta, etc. You use 1Password as your authenticator as well? Doesn't that make it not multi-factor if it contains both your password and authentication?
- pseudalopex 2y agoThe 1Password database is something you have. You unlock 1Password with something you know or something you are.