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Tires are a fair point, but kind of a goal post shift isn’t it? The problem with tires is not disposed tires, it’s tire wear. If there’s a plan for remediating

Tires are a fair point, but kind of a goal post shift isn’t it? The problem with tires is not disposed tires, it’s tire wear. If there’s a plan for remediating tire shavings over the course of tires wearing down in any of these threads I must have missed it. Please correct me? As far as the rest it’s just not true. Landfills in the west are fine. Nothing is perfect but they’re not impactful at all ecologically. (Developing world not so. Lack of robust waste management contributes massively in the developing world.)

michael9423 2y ago
I don't want to move any goalposts, I completely agree with your previous posts. In some European countries like Germany and Switzerland, waste collection has been almost perfected, there's not much to complain. But we still have pollution related to plastic production. It's the west who's shipping the plastic waste to Asia where it ends up destroying the environment and the health of people.
- warcher 2y ago
  I’m specifically saying, in the US, we don’t do anything special with our trash. Mostly no recycling of anything but metal. We put it more or less securely in the ground and bury it. That’s all. And that is fine. We would have to fix a whole RAFT of serious serious problems before landfills are anybody’s radar. We will never see it our lifetime and I hazard that we may never see the day. Other countries have tighter land requirements and they might be more forward thinking, but the idea that plastic packaging is impacting the environment is just not supported by data. As long as you’re not throwing it in the river, plastics waste just doesn’t matter much.
  - FuriouslyAdrift 2y ago
    "...corrugated boxes had a recycling rate of 96.5 percent in 2018." https://www.epa.gov/facts-and-figures-about-materials-waste-and-recycling/paper-and-paperboard-material-specific-data https://www.epa.gov/facts-and-figures-about-materials-waste-...
    - kjkjadksj 2y ago
      That seems unbelievable to me. Unless internal industrial/commercial uses of corrugated really outnumber john smith by that much.
luplex 2y ago
The European Commission is working on the new EURO7 standard for car emissions, which will include new standards and targets for tire (and brake) wear. I tried to find specifics and they don't seem to be publicly known yet. But yes, I do expect significant progress on this in the next few years!

michael9423 2y ago

I don't want to move any goalposts, I completely agree with your previous posts. In some European countries like Germany and Switzerland, waste collection has been almost perfected, there's not much to complain. But we still have pollution related to plastic production. It's the west who's shipping the plastic waste to Asia where it ends up destroying the environment and the health of people.

warcher 2y ago
I’m specifically saying, in the US, we don’t do anything special with our trash. Mostly no recycling of anything but metal. We put it more or less securely in the ground and bury it. That’s all. And that is fine. We would have to fix a whole RAFT of serious serious problems before landfills are anybody’s radar. We will never see it our lifetime and I hazard that we may never see the day. Other countries have tighter land requirements and they might be more forward thinking, but the idea that plastic packaging is impacting the environment is just not supported by data. As long as you’re not throwing it in the river, plastics waste just doesn’t matter much.
- FuriouslyAdrift 2y ago
  "...corrugated boxes had a recycling rate of 96.5 percent in 2018." https://www.epa.gov/facts-and-figures-about-materials-waste-and-recycling/paper-and-paperboard-material-specific-data https://www.epa.gov/facts-and-figures-about-materials-waste-...
  - kjkjadksj 2y ago
    That seems unbelievable to me. Unless internal industrial/commercial uses of corrugated really outnumber john smith by that much.

luplex 2y ago

The European Commission is working on the new EURO7 standard for car emissions, which will include new standards and targets for tire (and brake) wear. I tried to find specifics and they don't seem to be publicly known yet. But yes, I do expect significant progress on this in the next few years!