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Yeah... Ok, my average temperature increased by %4.x percent, but my variance increased by quite a bit more than that. The assumptions underlying the growing zo

Yeah... Ok, my average temperature increased by %4.x percent, but my variance increased by quite a bit more than that. The assumptions underlying the growing zone approximation were never great ones, but I find the whole idea largely irrelevant now. Cold snaps a good ten degrees below normal have now repeatedly killed established natives (as in you could find them in local wildlife preserves). And the long dry spells averaging what used to be the yearly high, now kill plants adapted to live in actual deserts. Is it wrong that part of me is fascinated to see what comes next?

voisin 2y ago
> my average temperature increased by %4.x percent Can you do that with temperatures not in kelvin (with true zero)?
- cozzyd 2y ago
  you can do what you want but it doesn't make it meaningful
- DangitBobby 2y ago
  It's not more meaningful in Kelvin. 1 to 4 is a 300% increase and so is 200 to 800. So hearing 300% tells you absolutely nothing, without the added context of "from the previous average temperature of the region".
  - voisin 2y ago
    My point is that a 4% increase in numbers on a scale where zero does not equate tot he total absence is not actually 4% hotter.
  - smolder 2y ago
    Yes, it is. Percentages don't mean anything in temperature unless it is Kelvin where 0 is truly 0. 1 to 4 degrees Celsius is not a 300% increase in anything but the integer representing temp. Try that in Fahrenheit or with a negative value. Edit: I think I initially missed your point that percentages are kind of silly to use anyway.
    - dragonwriter 2y ago
      > Percentages don’t mean anything in temperature unless it is Kelvin where 0 is truly 0. Well, technically any absolute scale: Kelvin is the most common, but Rankine has the same feature. (It just uses Fahrenheit-sized degrees instead of Celsius-sized.)
      - smolder 2y ago
        I wondered if there might be others but left it up to you to correct me. :)

voisin 2y ago

> my average temperature increased by %4.x percent Can you do that with temperatures not in kelvin (with true zero)?

cozzyd 2y ago
you can do what you want but it doesn't make it meaningful
DangitBobby 2y ago
It's not more meaningful in Kelvin. 1 to 4 is a 300% increase and so is 200 to 800. So hearing 300% tells you absolutely nothing, without the added context of "from the previous average temperature of the region".
- voisin 2y ago
  My point is that a 4% increase in numbers on a scale where zero does not equate tot he total absence is not actually 4% hotter.
- smolder 2y ago
  Yes, it is. Percentages don't mean anything in temperature unless it is Kelvin where 0 is truly 0. 1 to 4 degrees Celsius is not a 300% increase in anything but the integer representing temp. Try that in Fahrenheit or with a negative value. Edit: I think I initially missed your point that percentages are kind of silly to use anyway.
  - dragonwriter 2y ago
    > Percentages don’t mean anything in temperature unless it is Kelvin where 0 is truly 0. Well, technically any absolute scale: Kelvin is the most common, but Rankine has the same feature. (It just uses Fahrenheit-sized degrees instead of Celsius-sized.)
    - smolder 2y ago
      I wondered if there might be others but left it up to you to correct me. :)