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I found these videos quite hard to watch. There is a level of cringe that I found a bit unpleasant. It’s like some kind of uncanny valley of human interaction
by Negitivefrags 2y ago
I found these videos quite hard to watch. There is a level of cringe that I found a bit unpleasant.
It’s like some kind of uncanny valley of human interaction that I don’t get on nearly the same level with the text version.
- jameshart 2y agoWhile it is probably pretty normal for California, the insincere flattery and patronizing eagerness are definitely grating But then you have to stack that up against the fact that we are examining a technology and nitpicking over its tone of voice.
- MattPalmer1086 2y agoI found it disturbing that it had any kind of personality. I don't want a machine to pretend to be a person. I guess it makes it more evident with a voice than text. But yeah, I'm sure all those things would be tunable, and everyone could pick their own style.
- jimkleiber 2y agoFor me, you nailed it. Maybe how I feel on this will change over time, yet at the moment (and since the movie Her), I feel a deep unsettling, creeped out, disgusted feeling at hearing a computer pretend to be a human. I also have never used Siri or Alexa. At least with those, they sound robotic and not like a human. I watched a video of an interview with an AI Reed Hastings and had a similar creeped out feeling. It's almost as if I want a human to be a human and a computer to be a computer. I wonder if I would feel the same way if a dog started speaking to me in English and sounded like my deceased grandmother or a woman who I found very attractive. Or how I'd feel if this tech was used in videogames or something where I don't think it's real life. I don't really know how to put it into words, maybe just uncanny valley.
- Intralexical 2y agoIt's dishonest to the core. "Emotions" which it doesn't actually feel are just a way to manipulate you.
- jimkleiber 2y agoYea, gives that con artist vibe. "I'm sorry, I can't help you with that." But you're not sorry, you don't feel guilt. I think in the video it even asked "how are you feeling" and it replied, which creeped me out. The computer is not feeling. Maybe if it said, "my battery is a bit warm right now I should turn on my fan" or "I worry that my battery will die" then I'd trust it more. Give me computer emotions, not human emotions.
- Intralexical 2y agoWhat creeps me out is that this is clearly being done deliberately. They know the computer is not feeling. But they very much want to present it as if it is.
- cruffle_duffle 2y agoIt will be interesting to see the different ways competitors train their models to behave.
- jimkleiber 2y agoFrom a tech standpoint, I admire its ability to replicate tone and such on the fly. I just don't know how it'll do from a user experience standpoint. Many stories of fascinating tech achievements that morphed a lot to be digestible by us humans.
- MattPalmer1086 2y agoDouglas Adams predicted it, we are now in the era of Genuine People Personalities™... https://hitchhikers.fandom.com/wiki/Genuine_People_Personalities https://hitchhikers.fandom.com/wiki/Genuine_People_Personali... "All the doors in this spacecraft have a cheerful and sunny disposition. It is their pleasure to open for you and their satisfaction to close again with the knowledge of a job well done"!
- Valakas_ 2y agoIt sounded like a sociopath. All emotions are faked, they're both just doing what they think is more appropriate in that situation since they have no feelings on their own to guide them. And the lack of empathy becomes clear, it's all just cognitive. When the GPT voice was talking about the dog it was incredibly objectifying, got triggered from my ex. "What an adorable fluffy ball" "cute little thing". The reason we feel creeped out is because at an instinctual level we know people (and now things) with no empathy and inauthentic are dangerous. They don't really care or feel, just pretend to.
- zamadatix 2y agoI feel like it's largely an effect of tuning it to default as "a ultra helpful assistant which is happy to help with any request via detailed responses in candid and polite manner..." kind of thing as you basically lose free points any time it doesn't jump on helping with something, tries to use short output and generates a more incorrect answer as a result, or just plain has to be initialized with any of this info. It seems like both the voice and responses can be tuned pretty easily though so hopefully that kind of thing can just be loaded in your custom instructions.
- TaylorAlexander 2y agoI’m born and raised in California and I think I’m a pretty “California” person (for better and worse). It feels exhausting watching these demos and I’m not excited at all to try it. I really don’t feel the need for an AI assistant or chatbot to pretend to be human like this. It just feels like it’s taking longer to get the information I want. You know in the TV series “Westworld” they have this mode, called “analysis”, where they can tell the robots to “turn off your emotional affect”. I’d really like to see this one have that option. Hopefully it will comply if you tell it, but considering how strong some of the RLHF has been in the past I’m not confident in that.
- jameshart 2y agoI found it jarring that the presenters keep beginning dialogs by asking the chatbot how it is. It’s stateless. There is no ‘how’ for it to be. Why are you making it roleplay as a human being forced to make small talk?
- Intralexical 2y agoThey know that it's stateless, of course. Clearly they have decided it's in their own interests to publicly pretend otherwise.
- vbezhenar 2y agoWith Memory, ChatGPT is not exactly stateless anymore. Doesn't make any sense to ask robot how he is, of course. Though I never understood why people ask it each other, because obviously absolute majority of them don't genuinely care. "Hi" should be enough for verbal part of the handshake protocol.
- gradys 2y agoI’m guessing there was an instrumental reason for this, for instance to check that the model was listening before launching into what they wanted to demo
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- 65 2y agoMaybe they need to make a North Easterner mode. Cut the bullshit and pleasantries. Give me the information and move on!
- MattPalmer1086 2y agoI had the same reaction. While incredibly impressive, it wasn't something I would want to interact with.
- selfmodruntime 2y agoYes. This model - and past models to an extent - have a very unique american and californian feel to them in their response. I am German for example, and day to that conversations lack any superficial flattery so much that the demo feels extreme to me.
- coffeebeqn 2y agoIs there any reason to think they can’t train it to be more culturally appropriate to different regions ?
- jameshart 2y agoWe know how that works out with protocol droids. Cutting C-3PO (Hmmm... GPT4o? Should we start calling it Teeforo?) off mid sentence is a regular part of canon. Hey, Threepio, can you speak in a more culturally appropriate tone? C3Po: Certainly sir. I am fluent in over six million forms of communication, and can readily... Can you speak German? C3Po: Of course I can, sir, it's like a second language to me. I was... All right, shut up. C3Po: Shutting up, sir.
- jiggawatts 2y agoOpenAI keeps talking about "personalised AI", but what they've actually been doing is forcing everyone to use a single model with a single set of "safety" rules, censorship, and response style. Either they can't afford to train multiple variants of GPT 4, or they don't want to.
- selfmodruntime 2y agoThey certainly can, but the Californian techno bubble is so entrenched into the western culture war that they prefer to act as a (in their opinion) benevolent dictator. Which is fair in a way, it's their model after all.
- elliotto 2y agoAll these demo style ads/videos are super jarring and uncanny valley-esque to watch as an Australian. The US corporate cultural norms are super bizarre to the rest of the world, and the California based holy omega of tech companies really takes this to the extreme. The application might work well if you interact with it like you are a normal human being - but I can't tell because this presentation is corporate robots talking to machine robots.
- HHC-Hunter 2y agoAgreed. Americans why are you like this?
- floam 2y agoThey hate us because we’re happy
- 4gotunameagain 2y agoNobody sane hates you, personally or collectively. But we can definitely dislike certain aspects of certain cultures, especially since in this case that culture is the most massively exported culture in the history of mankind. Of course the gp comment is out of place and taste.
- tomaskafka 2y agoOr on antidepressants en masse, it's sometimes hard to tell :)
- bamboozled 2y agoToo afraid to be yourself for fear of being fired. I have an “American corporate personality” now too. Ultra PC etc. I don’t even use regular pronouns anymore by default o use they/them. I try hard to avoid saying “guys”. I’ve worked in Asia and Europe and America has a special culture where you have to be nice and positive all the time or else…because there is basically no worker protection laws against that discriminate firing, you can’t do much about it either.
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- clhodapp 2y agoIt's like Project Milo grew up and became a white color worker.
- bambax 2y agoTalking with people is hard enough. I need to see the people I'm talking to, or I'd rather write, because it's asynchronous and I have all the time I need to organize my message. I think all the fakery in those demos help in that regard: it narrows the field of the possible interpretations of what is being said.
- ByThyGrace 2y agoThe what I presume default female voice and tone speaks like an AI character straight out of a Black Mirror episode.
- saxelsen 2y agoThe demo where they take turns singing felt like two nervous slaves trying to please their overlord who kept interrupting them and demanding more harmony.
- dyauspitr 2y agoIt is that and that’s okay, they’re algorithms.
- xfz 2y agoNauseating mode is the default, you'll have to pay extra for a tolerable personality. ;) Seriously though, I'm sure it's an improvement but having used the existing voice chat I think they had a few things to address. (Perhaps 4o does in some cases). - Unlike the text interface it asks questions to keep the conversation going. It feels odd when I already got the answer I wanted. Clarifying questions yes, pretending to be a buddy - I didn't say I was lonely, I just asked a question! It makes me feel pressured to continue. - Too much waffle by far. Give me short answers, I am capable of asking follow up questions. - Unable to cope with the mechanics of usual conversation. Pausing before adding more, interrupting, another person speaking. - Only has a US accent, which is fine but not what I expect when Google and Alexa have used British English for many years. Perhaps they've overblown the "personality" to mask some of these deficiencies? Not saying it's easy to overcome all the above but I'd rather they just dial down the intonation in the meantime.
- borgdefense 2y agoI love the Juniper voice in chatGPT4. I am blown away having spent hours prompting GPT4o. If it can give shorter answers in voice mode instead of lectures then a back and forth conversation with this much power can be quite interesting. I still doubt I would use it that much though just because of how much is lost compared to the screen. Code and voice make no sense. The time between prompts usually requires quite a bit of thought for anything interesting that a conversation itself is only useful for things I have already asked it. For me, gpt4 is already as useless as 3.5. I will never prompt gpt4 again. I can still push GPT4o over the edge in python but damn, it is pretty out there. Then the speed is really amazing.