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Historically every time the state gets involved it inevitably leads to substantial amounts of neglect and abuse. Rather than putting people into institutions we

Historically every time the state gets involved it inevitably leads to substantial amounts of neglect and abuse. Rather than putting people into institutions we would be far better off making home help and care more accessible and relatively free market so that people can choose the types of care they need. We should be doing that for as long as its possible. But in the UK today they are desperately trying to remove the meagre disability payments that people receive so the chances are more will just end up homeless as will their child carers.

rvba 2y ago
Some sort of a day-care / kindergarden for elderly would make a lot of sense. The children could even rotate to check if there is no abuse..
- bombcar 2y ago
  Things like that do exist, the sad reality is that if the children care, the parents do decently well, the abuse kicks in when nobody cares (or nobody exists, there are many people with no living relatives).
  - LorenPechtel 2y ago
    Or when the children care but can't be there to see what's going wrong.
- LorenPechtel 2y ago
  I have passed multiple businesses around here that say "adult day care". I have not investigated exactly what they provide.
afavour 2y ago
> we would be far better off making home help and care more accessible and relatively free market so that people can choose the types of care they need Eh. People that don't have much money won't have much of a choice. So it'd work out great for the rich, shitty for the poor. Like much else in life, I suppose. IMO the world would be better off with much better work flexibility in general, no matter if you have kids or elderly parents. But we sacrifice to much at the altar of productivity for that to ever happen.
tomrod 2y ago
> Historically every time the state gets involved it inevitably leads to substantial amounts of neglect and abuse. Not inevitable. Only when O&M and oversight are reduced by corruption, graft, or ineptitude.
MisterBastahrd 2y ago
Historically, every time the state doesn't get involved, people die from poverty, neglect, and abuse. The free market is bullshit here because it has a profit motive, not a care or a duty motive. People don't just stop living or are worthy of care and respect simply because they can no longer provide cash to the money gods.
cardanome 2y ago
> Historically every time the state gets involved it inevitably leads to substantial amounts of neglect and abuse Yeah, having people without any professional training and zero oversight do the caring is the much safer option. Surely there can't be any abuse there? The only advantage is that at home no one will see the abuse. And I am talking about abuse by both the carer and the one being cared for. Dementia changes a person often causing them to get violent. Plus caring for another being is exhausting but caring for a close family member even more so because you can not build a professional distance to keep you emotionally healthy. It is thankless and soul destroying work. Even the most caring person can grow bitter over time. Yes, in state institutions abuse does happen because abuse happens everywhere but there are ways to implement oversight and reduce it. Not so much at home. Plus in the case of underage children, making them care for family members is called parentifications and a form of abuse that can mess them up for the rest of their life.
acuozzo 2y ago
> Historically every time the state gets involved it inevitably leads to substantial amounts of neglect and abuse. The asylum system is one excellent example of this. With that being said, those most in need of what an asylum would provide are now living on the street, so I'm not sure deleting the repo without even a plan for a rewrite in place was the best choice...

rvba 2y ago

Some sort of a day-care / kindergarden for elderly would make a lot of sense. The children could even rotate to check if there is no abuse..

bombcar 2y ago
Things like that do exist, the sad reality is that if the children care, the parents do decently well, the abuse kicks in when nobody cares (or nobody exists, there are many people with no living relatives).
- LorenPechtel 2y ago
  Or when the children care but can't be there to see what's going wrong.
LorenPechtel 2y ago
I have passed multiple businesses around here that say "adult day care". I have not investigated exactly what they provide.

afavour 2y ago

> we would be far better off making home help and care more accessible and relatively free market so that people can choose the types of care they need Eh. People that don't have much money won't have much of a choice. So it'd work out great for the rich, shitty for the poor. Like much else in life, I suppose. IMO the world would be better off with much better work flexibility in general, no matter if you have kids or elderly parents. But we sacrifice to much at the altar of productivity for that to ever happen.

tomrod 2y ago

> Historically every time the state gets involved it inevitably leads to substantial amounts of neglect and abuse. Not inevitable. Only when O&M and oversight are reduced by corruption, graft, or ineptitude.

MisterBastahrd 2y ago

Historically, every time the state doesn't get involved, people die from poverty, neglect, and abuse. The free market is bullshit here because it has a profit motive, not a care or a duty motive. People don't just stop living or are worthy of care and respect simply because they can no longer provide cash to the money gods.

cardanome 2y ago

> Historically every time the state gets involved it inevitably leads to substantial amounts of neglect and abuse Yeah, having people without any professional training and zero oversight do the caring is the much safer option. Surely there can't be any abuse there? The only advantage is that at home no one will see the abuse. And I am talking about abuse by both the carer and the one being cared for. Dementia changes a person often causing them to get violent. Plus caring for another being is exhausting but caring for a close family member even more so because you can not build a professional distance to keep you emotionally healthy. It is thankless and soul destroying work. Even the most caring person can grow bitter over time. Yes, in state institutions abuse does happen because abuse happens everywhere but there are ways to implement oversight and reduce it. Not so much at home. Plus in the case of underage children, making them care for family members is called parentifications and a form of abuse that can mess them up for the rest of their life.

acuozzo 2y ago

> Historically every time the state gets involved it inevitably leads to substantial amounts of neglect and abuse. The asylum system is one excellent example of this. With that being said, those most in need of what an asylum would provide are now living on the street, so I'm not sure deleting the repo without even a plan for a rewrite in place was the best choice...