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Ask HN: Why Htmx So Controversial?

5 points by martinbaun 2y ago

It seems like people either hate it or love it? Personally I love it, so I can't really see why you would hate it. What are the great arguments against it?

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PaulHoule 2y ago
I like it. It is a perfect framework for my smart RSS reader and my image sorter where I want to do some simple things like putting up modal dialogs, implementing multiple-stage selects, combo boxes, things like that. React can handle apps with much more complex state and do really amazing things like https://aframe.io/ https://aframe.io/ but it is overkill for the common form applications it is commonly used for.
- martinbaun 2y ago
  Well I (and my company) do VueJS as well and the time to make a product is usually like 2/3x longer with VueJS and it is not server side rendered so bad for SEO. AND not as robust. What we normally do is sprinkle HTMX/AlpineJS/VueJS(cdn version) into SSR apps and they are seemlingly looking like SPAs
caprock 2y ago
Most of the controversy is tongue in cheek fun, from the numerous co-ceo staff. It's hard to keep so many people aligned. Perhaps though, it's because it offers significant difference to the deep abstractions embraced by r eact and friends.
- martinbaun 2y ago
  maybe it is, HTMX people and the founder also seem to be great at memeing and making controversy hehe. Yeah, a completely different "new"/(kinda old) way of doing stuff.
recursivedoubts 2y ago
it’s a very different way of thinking about web development and has it’s strengths and weaknesses so it’s easy for someone who is really deep in the SPA/reactive JavaScript world to look at it and say “this is stupid, whatabbout…” also my twitter account is a strong drink compared to most tech accounts which alienates some people (“but you have heard of me…”)
- martinbaun 2y ago
  Yeah, like they say that the people behind the old paradigms have to die before new paradigms can emerge. What's your twitter? You're the author of Hyperscript?
  - recursivedoubts 2y ago
    https://twitter.com/htmx_org https://twitter.com/htmx_org yes, i created htmx.org and hyperscript.org
    - martinbaun 2y ago
      Cool! Thank you :) You brought a lot of joy back to Web developing for me. I have gotten a little insane from the "modern js" frameworks, and it is so refreshing.
      - recursivedoubts 2y ago
        :) very glad to hear that
        martinbaun 2y ago
        And I am already following you and your memes :P https://twitter.com/MartinBaunWorld https://twitter.com/MartinBaunWorld By the way, did you see Primeagens' HTMX intro? :P https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7v6SNIgJpE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7v6SNIgJpE

5 points by martinbaun 2y ago

It seems like people either hate it or love it? Personally I love it, so I can't really see why you would hate it. What are the great arguments against it?

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PaulHoule 2y ago

I like it. It is a perfect framework for my smart RSS reader and my image sorter where I want to do some simple things like putting up modal dialogs, implementing multiple-stage selects, combo boxes, things like that. React can handle apps with much more complex state and do really amazing things like https://aframe.io/ https://aframe.io/ but it is overkill for the common form applications it is commonly used for.

martinbaun 2y ago
Well I (and my company) do VueJS as well and the time to make a product is usually like 2/3x longer with VueJS and it is not server side rendered so bad for SEO. AND not as robust. What we normally do is sprinkle HTMX/AlpineJS/VueJS(cdn version) into SSR apps and they are seemlingly looking like SPAs

caprock 2y ago

Most of the controversy is tongue in cheek fun, from the numerous co-ceo staff. It's hard to keep so many people aligned. Perhaps though, it's because it offers significant difference to the deep abstractions embraced by r eact and friends.

martinbaun 2y ago
maybe it is, HTMX people and the founder also seem to be great at memeing and making controversy hehe. Yeah, a completely different "new"/(kinda old) way of doing stuff.

recursivedoubts 2y ago

it’s a very different way of thinking about web development and has it’s strengths and weaknesses so it’s easy for someone who is really deep in the SPA/reactive JavaScript world to look at it and say “this is stupid, whatabbout…” also my twitter account is a strong drink compared to most tech accounts which alienates some people (“but you have heard of me…”)

martinbaun 2y ago
Yeah, like they say that the people behind the old paradigms have to die before new paradigms can emerge. What's your twitter? You're the author of Hyperscript?
- recursivedoubts 2y ago
  https://twitter.com/htmx_org https://twitter.com/htmx_org yes, i created htmx.org and hyperscript.org
  - martinbaun 2y ago
    Cool! Thank you :) You brought a lot of joy back to Web developing for me. I have gotten a little insane from the "modern js" frameworks, and it is so refreshing.
    - recursivedoubts 2y ago
      :) very glad to hear that
      - martinbaun 2y ago
        And I am already following you and your memes :P https://twitter.com/MartinBaunWorld https://twitter.com/MartinBaunWorld By the way, did you see Primeagens' HTMX intro? :P https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7v6SNIgJpE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7v6SNIgJpE