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You need a phone number to sign up for Telegram as well. And you can correlate username to phone number not that hard in most standard setting cases.

nottorp 2y ago
Yeah, basically both super duper encrypted privacy oriented services want your phone number. Sorry, but that's not privacy. I don't care what they do to encrypt your messages, they are still tied to me, which makes the super duper encryption pointless.
- OSI-Auflauf 2y ago
  You compare apples with oranges. Because if you'd compare the apples , you'd notice one of them has no usable E2E. Yes oranges umm phone numbers is a problem. They have that both. Only one can additionally read the contents. Thats for now the price for a normie interface. First goalposts first.
  - rfoo 2y ago
    I agree with you that Telegram does not even have E2EE and that's bad. But in this thread, GP was just talking about metadata. The goalpost here is metadata. GP particularly mentioned that Signal "fixed" the phone number issue and I just want to note that currently Signal isn't any better than Telegram in this aspect. And then you moved orange back.
    - gkbrk 2y ago
      > Telegram does not even have E2EE This is incorrect. Telegram has E2EE. https://core.telegram.org/api/end-to-end https://core.telegram.org/api/end-to-end
      - rfoo 2y ago
        I don't see how I can start an E2EE chat from my PC. If a feature only ever exists on phone it does not exist. https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/issues/871 https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/issues/871
      - input_sh 2y ago
        ...in secret chats, that are only available in 1-to-1 conversations via mobile apps. So, not on by default (unlike Signal), no group chats (unlike Signal), no support at all in desktop apps (you've guessed it: unlike Signal).
- Dudhbbh3343 2y ago
  SimpleX is the best E2E chat app that doesn't require phone numbers (or even any account signup) that I've tried.

nottorp 2y ago

Yeah, basically both super duper encrypted privacy oriented services want your phone number. Sorry, but that's not privacy. I don't care what they do to encrypt your messages, they are still tied to me, which makes the super duper encryption pointless.

OSI-Auflauf 2y ago
You compare apples with oranges. Because if you'd compare the apples , you'd notice one of them has no usable E2E. Yes oranges umm phone numbers is a problem. They have that both. Only one can additionally read the contents. Thats for now the price for a normie interface. First goalposts first.
- rfoo 2y ago
  I agree with you that Telegram does not even have E2EE and that's bad. But in this thread, GP was just talking about metadata. The goalpost here is metadata. GP particularly mentioned that Signal "fixed" the phone number issue and I just want to note that currently Signal isn't any better than Telegram in this aspect. And then you moved orange back.
  - gkbrk 2y ago
    > Telegram does not even have E2EE This is incorrect. Telegram has E2EE. https://core.telegram.org/api/end-to-end https://core.telegram.org/api/end-to-end
    - rfoo 2y ago
      I don't see how I can start an E2EE chat from my PC. If a feature only ever exists on phone it does not exist. https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/issues/871 https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/issues/871
    - input_sh 2y ago
      ...in secret chats, that are only available in 1-to-1 conversations via mobile apps. So, not on by default (unlike Signal), no group chats (unlike Signal), no support at all in desktop apps (you've guessed it: unlike Signal).
Dudhbbh3343 2y ago
SimpleX is the best E2E chat app that doesn't require phone numbers (or even any account signup) that I've tried.