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Both Russians and Ukrainians use Telegram, including confidential messaging with their agents on the foreign territory. So that's a prove enough for me, that it

Both Russians and Ukrainians use Telegram, including confidential messaging with their agents on the foreign territory. So that's a prove enough for me, that it's safe enough.

lukan 2y ago
"including confidential messaging with their agents on the foreign territory" Possible, as many ridiculous things happened around the whole war. (Recently german generals on a video chat were targeted by the russians, wasn't too hard, they did not use any encyption at all) Sources would be nice though. But it really would not be a reason for me to trust telegrams security. Rather a confirmation again, that also secret services can show great incompetence.
- vetinari 2y ago
  > Recently german generals on a video chat were targeted by the russians, wasn't too hard, they did not use any encyption at all They used Webex. Doesn't Webex use any encryption at all?
  - lukan 2y ago
    It can use encryption. But they choose not to for probably lazy reasons. Which is bad for normal persons, even worse for generals who should lead by example - and ridiculous for generals with an background in IT who really should know better. But as far as I know, there were no real consequences so apparently it was not such a big deal. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Taurus_leak https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Taurus_leak
ceejayoz 2y ago
Which bits of this war scream “good judgement and opsec” to you? https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/04/world/europe/ukraine-russia-cellphones.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/04/world/europe/ukraine-russ... > Ukrainian artillery targets Russian soldiers by pinpointing their phone signals. Despite the deadly results, Russian troops keep defying a ban on cellphone use near the front.
- teekert 2y ago
  You're scared, likely to die face down in the mud. Would a little higher chance of death be worth completely cutting yourself of from your family?
- pydry 2y ago
  The part where they make up stories about the other side doing dumb shit in order to boost/maintain their team's morale. It's especially critical to drip-feed feel good news when you losing.
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    I mean, the Russian Ministry of Defense admits it. > “It is already clear that the main reason of what took place included the massive use, contrary to the ban, of personal mobile phones in the range of enemy weapons,” the Russian Defense Ministry said in a statement. The cellphone data allowed Ukraine, it said, to “determine the coordinates of the location of military service members to inflict a rocket strike.”
- vbezhenar 2y ago
  It's not about ordinary soldiers. It's about special services agents contacting their "partisans" agents, while other side special services trying to catch them. They're supposed to apply best security possible in the given circumstances. If you claim that neither Russian, nor Ukrainian special services are competent, I'd disagree with you.
  - PawgerZ 2y ago
    How do we know that Russian and Ukrainian special services agents use telegram? Is that confirmed somewhere?
martin_a 2y ago
Sounds like another part of the product, so you just pay for the other side not being able to snoop on you.
teekert 2y ago
I would guess that those two would turn encryption on? IDK, the whole anti-Signal post really makes me suspicious of Telegram whereas I wasn't really before. Are trying to be the universal honeypot for agencies?

Both Russians and Ukrainians use Telegram, including confidential messaging with their agents on the foreign territory. So that's a prove enough for me, that it's safe enough.

lukan 2y ago

"including confidential messaging with their agents on the foreign territory" Possible, as many ridiculous things happened around the whole war. (Recently german generals on a video chat were targeted by the russians, wasn't too hard, they did not use any encyption at all) Sources would be nice though. But it really would not be a reason for me to trust telegrams security. Rather a confirmation again, that also secret services can show great incompetence.

vetinari 2y ago
> Recently german generals on a video chat were targeted by the russians, wasn't too hard, they did not use any encyption at all They used Webex. Doesn't Webex use any encryption at all?
- lukan 2y ago
  It can use encryption. But they choose not to for probably lazy reasons. Which is bad for normal persons, even worse for generals who should lead by example - and ridiculous for generals with an background in IT who really should know better. But as far as I know, there were no real consequences so apparently it was not such a big deal. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Taurus_leak https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Taurus_leak

ceejayoz 2y ago

Which bits of this war scream “good judgement and opsec” to you? https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/04/world/europe/ukraine-russia-cellphones.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/04/world/europe/ukraine-russ... > Ukrainian artillery targets Russian soldiers by pinpointing their phone signals. Despite the deadly results, Russian troops keep defying a ban on cellphone use near the front.

teekert 2y ago
You're scared, likely to die face down in the mud. Would a little higher chance of death be worth completely cutting yourself of from your family?
pydry 2y ago
The part where they make up stories about the other side doing dumb shit in order to boost/maintain their team's morale. It's especially critical to drip-feed feel good news when you losing.
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  I mean, the Russian Ministry of Defense admits it. > “It is already clear that the main reason of what took place included the massive use, contrary to the ban, of personal mobile phones in the range of enemy weapons,” the Russian Defense Ministry said in a statement. The cellphone data allowed Ukraine, it said, to “determine the coordinates of the location of military service members to inflict a rocket strike.”
vbezhenar 2y ago
It's not about ordinary soldiers. It's about special services agents contacting their "partisans" agents, while other side special services trying to catch them. They're supposed to apply best security possible in the given circumstances. If you claim that neither Russian, nor Ukrainian special services are competent, I'd disagree with you.
- PawgerZ 2y ago
  How do we know that Russian and Ukrainian special services agents use telegram? Is that confirmed somewhere?

martin_a 2y ago

Sounds like another part of the product, so you just pay for the other side not being able to snoop on you.

teekert 2y ago

I would guess that those two would turn encryption on? IDK, the whole anti-Signal post really makes me suspicious of Telegram whereas I wasn't really before. Are trying to be the universal honeypot for agencies?