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A Pattern Language

219 points by lambdaba 2y ago

recursivedoubts 2y ago
what a gift
IncreasePosts 2y ago
Only missing the example drawings now. Is book artwork covered by a different license than book text? Or maybe it is just hard to digitize and integrate those images.
- avhon1 2y ago
  This site has most of the images, although not explicit backlinks. https://patterns-dev.github.io/patterns/clean2/patterns.htm https://patterns-dev.github.io/patterns/clean2/patterns.htm
gumby 2y ago
This book (and the timeless way of building) were so important when we designed our house with our architect. Two points that have stuck with me in the decades since: 1- find the nicest place in your property and don’t build there 2- corridors are wasted space because you travel through them and don’t linger. In the end we had only one corridor like space, and it had glass walls on all sides (one side was doors open all summer) so you felt like you were outside, plus it expanded so there was a place to sit. The two page chapter structure works well for this. The Society of Mind uses the same structure.
- MaXtreeM 2y ago
  Me and my wife also wanted to eliminate corridors as much as possible when we designed and discussed our house with an architect few years ago. Because of the property constraints and our other requirements about all of rooms we abandoned the idea of eliminating corridors and ended up with one long corridor through the middle of the house. After living in the house now for a few weeks we have no regrets - our son can run and ride in the corridor in the way he would not be able to otherwise and we found a way to decorate it that is quite pleasing. I am not saying that someone may be able to architect the house in other way to better use "wasted space" as you put it but we are very happy with our decision.
coley 2y ago
I’ve commented about this book here before. It’s very useful across multiple disciplines. What drew me to it was video game level-design. There’s a section on how churches and temples often have these increasingly smaller and more intimate chambers as you go deeper into the building. I found it super helpful as a lot of these little details are difficult to intuit. I appreciate that you can open the book to almost any page and gain tremendous insight.
- crabmusket 2y ago
  I was introduced to it, if I remember correctly, via a post on The Dark Mod forums (a Thief-like mod engine). The pattern in question was "positive outdoor space", on the importance of creating places between buildings, rather than just plopping discrete monoliths onto an empty plain. (Funnily enough, the way the original Thief engine worked was beginning with a fully solid universe which the level designers would carve air volumes out of to create the level. This was due to how the engine prioritised sound propagation. So Thief levels had to have positive outdoor spaces!)
- Phiwise_ 2y ago
  >What drew me to it was video game level-design. Was it Jesse Schell's The Art of Game Design for you, too? I loved that book when I thought I was going to become a game designer. When someone like Schell spoke so highly of Alexander it was plain he had to must be something really special.
aporetics 2y ago
What a great project, thank you. I appreciate that you can link to specific chapters, for example [0], or the one that I haven't been able to stop thinking about for twenty years [1],--though the latter would really benefit from the illustration. [0] https://patternlanguage.cc/Patterns/Connection-to-the-Earth-(168) https://patternlanguage.cc/Patterns/Connection-to-the-Earth-... [1] https://patternlanguage.cc/Patterns/City-Country-Fingers-(3) https://patternlanguage.cc/Patterns/City-Country-Fingers-(3)
- crabmusket 2y ago
  I think about Arcades[1] constantly as I walk about. Reading A Pattern Language for the first time was a revelation, because so many of the patterns put words to things I already thought or felt. Cascade of Roofs was another one like that, which explained to me something I already found beautiful. [1] https://patternlanguage.cc/Patterns/Arcades-(119) https://patternlanguage.cc/Patterns/Arcades-(119)
ThouYS 2y ago
one of the most magnificent books ever written
crabmusket 2y ago
Something that I love about A Pattern Language, and which I have seen few imitators attempt, is that it addresses a vast range of scales. The book begins audaciously by asserting that the world should be divided into political regions of population no greater than 10 million; because "regions will not come to balance until each one is small and autonomous enough to be an independent sphere of culture". https://patternlanguage.cc/Patterns/Independent-Regions-(1) https://patternlanguage.cc/Patterns/Independent-Regions-(1) After this anarchist utopia, the patterns proceed to describe the distribution of towns and cities, responses to large geographic features like valleys versus hilltops, the layout of towns, suburbs, streets, sites, buildings, and rooms, all the way down to types of chairs and the half inch of trim that joins walls of different materials. It features detours into aged care ("old people everywhere"), political economy ("self-governing workshops and offices"), culture ("dancing in the street"). Maybe the closest software work I've seen with this scope is the "blue book" on Domain-Driven Design, but even that doesn't come close to addressing the political economy of software, or the act of writing code. And that's probably fine, but it really does put A Pattern Language in a class of its own.
- kolektiv 2y ago
  That's an excellent summary, and I think it explains what many people (myself absolutely included) got a bit wrong when patterns first became popular in software development some years ago. While I managed to avoid the trap of pattern-itis and try to fit everything into some pattern or other, I still worked with the oversimplification that patterns were simply about a language, a way of communicating. DDD emphasised that very strongly, and it has value, but to see it as only that means missing the vast scope of the original work. I think most people read books on software patterns and heard about the original inspiration, and (without having read it) assumed it was the same "but buildings". In reality, it is as much a work of philosophy and sociology as it is about architecture - it's about lives and how people fit together more than how bricks fit together. It stands in a long tradition, Le Corbusier, for example, deriving systems for living and modular approaches to constructing space such as the Unité d'Habitation. It would be fantastic if we could get software people to read this kind of thing before they see what it's inspired in the software world - there's so much more to learn from disciplines older than ours (which is effectively all of them). A more comprehensive theory of building software systems (based on the human aspects, the social, etc., rather than the dry economic and project-management aspects comprising most formal books on such things) seems like a significant step in our little world.
Phiwise_ 2y ago
Here's some other posts on Alexander's work: Beautiful Software: Christopher Alexander's research initiative on computing - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34011469 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34011469 Dec 2022 (40 comments) Do You See a Pattern? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=972023 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=972023 Dec 2009 (30 comments) “A pattern language” explained (2016) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18644150 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18644150 Dec 2018 (22 comments) A Pattern Language (1977) [pdf] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27458721 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27458721 Jun 2021 (22 comments) Christopher Alexander: An Introduction for Object-Oriented Designers - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4965552 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4965552 Dec 2012 (19 comments) The Timeless Way of Building (1979) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10164427 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10164427 Sep 2015 (19 comments) Toward a Theory of Design as Computation - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8032648 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8032648 Jul 2014 (19 comments) Some Notes on Christopher Alexander (2008) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22869481 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22869481 Apr 2020 (18 comments) A City Is Not a Tree (1965) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21916408 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21916408 Jan 2020 (17 comments) Christopher Alexander – Patterns in Architecture (1996) [video] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17480178 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17480178 Jul 2018 (17 comments) Christopher Alexander: A Primer [video] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24033936 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24033936 Aug 2020 (11 comments) Notes on The Timeless Way of Building (2018) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23525259 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23525259 Jun 2020 (10 comments) Fifteen Fundamental Properties (2022) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40340220 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40340220 May 2024 (10 comments) A City Is Not a Tree (1965) [pdf] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9970090 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9970090 Jul 2015 (7 comments) Finding meaning in The Nature of Order - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38009174 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38009174 Oct 2023 (5 comments) Christopher Alexander’s Distribution of Towns - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9443072 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9443072 Apr 2015 (4 comments) The Origins of Pattern Theory: Christopher Alexander at OOPSLA (1996) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11334395 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11334395 Mar 2016 (4 comments) Notes on the Synthesis of Form (1964) [pdf] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9020588 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9020588 Feb 2015 (3 comments) The Fifteen Fundamental Properties of Wholeness (good design) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4965528 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4965528 Dec 2012 Empirical Findings of 'The Nature of Order' [pdf] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14502297 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14502297 Jun 2017 Plus everything that has been described using the phrase "pattern language", and a lot of the word "pattern" in reference to software design: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=pattern%20language&sort=byPopularity&type=all https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
foota 2y ago
According to wikipedia (which was itself inspired by this document's original form) this apparently inspired that software wiki that gets posted here occasionally: https://c2.com/ppr/ https://c2.com/ppr/
no_identd 2y ago
To quote Dorian Taylor[no affiliation, albeit we do follow each other on Twitter & BlueSky] from https://twitter.com/doriantaylor/status/1585008553554677762 https://twitter.com/doriantaylor/status/1585008553554677762: "Chances are if you're in software or digital design, you've heard of the book A Pattern Language, well, you may not be aware that Christopher Alexander effectively renounced patterns in 1996 (https://youtu.be/98LdFA-_zfA https://youtu.be/98LdFA-_zfA). He said he had something better… The problem is, that better something happens to be four books and 2500 pages, and weigh 12 pounds. And, it's about buildings, not software. So my service to you is interpreting the text for software, and cutting the reading down by an order of magnitude." That "something better" being Christopher Alexander's Opus Magnum, "The Nature of Order". Dorian's working on this under the name "The Nature of Software" here: https://the.natureof.software/ https://the.natureof.software/ And here: https://buttondown.email/natureofsoftware/ https://buttondown.email/natureofsoftware/
- no_identd 2y ago
  Addendum: He also has a good retrospective or précis (medium-length expository summary) on Christopher Alexander, how his views changed, and his work, here: https://dorian.substack.com/p/at-any-given-moment-in-a-process https://dorian.substack.com/p/at-any-given-moment-in-a-proce...
- hyggetrold 2y ago
  I think it's worth it for people to start by reading Alexander's writing themselves first before relying on synthesis. Alexander's aim was not simply "good ways of building things." I also think it's important for folks not to think that software and buildings are so different that the work needs translation. Alexander was after universal principles, after all. A Pattern Language is great but a lot of folks miss that it's part 2 of a greater work, with part 1 being The Timeless Way of Building. Another great Alexander book that flies under the radar is Notes on the Synthesis of Form. It's a little hard to read but there is deep deep insight about design and the design process in that little book. Highly recommend. And lastly, anyone interested should read A City Is Not A Tree: https://www.patternlanguage.com/archive/cityisnotatree.html https://www.patternlanguage.com/archive/cityisnotatree.html
dindobre 2y ago
"Four-Story Limit (21)" "There is abundant evidence to show that high buildings make people crazy." Does anyone know more?
- crabmusket 2y ago
  The full book contains several citations, here's one: > The strongest evidence comes from D. M. Fanning ("Families in Flats", British Medical Journal, November 18, 1967, pp. 382-86). Fanning shows a direct correlation between incidence of mental disorder and the height of people's apartments. ... And it is not simply a case of people prone to mental illness choosing high-rise apartments. A Pattern Language was published in 1977.
  - dindobre 2y ago
    I've read the book before but I guess I kinda forgot about this point. Scary.
suoduandao3 2y ago
fun coincidence - I've been playing with the ideas from pattern language as ai art prompts for a while now - the project's the primary focus of my twitter feed for anyone who'd like to have a look. https://twitter.com/Eucyclos1 https://twitter.com/Eucyclos1
zenoprax 2y ago
I'm the "compiler" for this project (to say author would be aggrandizing) and it is so cool to see this on HN! Glad to see some discussion and sharing!
- rbancroft 2y ago
  I think it's great, nicely done! Tools like this to condense and cross-reference complex information to something you can reference easily is very useful to a human like myself.
- electrondood 2y ago
  Outstanding rendition of one of my favorite works. Much appreciation!
mikhailfranco 2y ago
Very glad to see this site, but I still recommend people buy the book. Read it from cover to cover, slowly, or just dip in when you have 5 minutes downtime without a screen. It has wonderful photos. The writing is poetic. The themes are mesmerizing. It slowly descends the gradient of life, from humanity to town to commerce to recreation to family to solitude. If I had to sum it up in one word, I would say humaneness. It is a wonderful musing on the human condition, as well as a series of concrete recommendations on how to improve it.
- zenoprax 2y ago
  I could not agree more. It's a shame it is not more accessible but it's why I cite the book itself for the full pattern.
- ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
  A nice side-effect, is that it will help you to make your home a lot more livable. My favorite pattern is "Light From Two Sides." Amazingly simple, and absolutely correct. Not sure where it is, in there, but I remember it clearly, when I read the book.
paulorlando 2y ago
It's a wonderful book. I first heard about it while diving into urban planning and only afterward learned that (software) developers knew it as well. I still evaluate physical or digital spaces accordingly. The patterns also influenced the way I approached my own research years later. (And I still often mentally refer to A Pattern Language even though 20 years ago a friend never returned my copy.)
kepano 2y ago
The project's readme about "How it's made"[1] is interesting. The content of the Markdown repo is enjoyable to explore as an Obsidian vault[2]. I’d like to say that I wrote some clever site scraper and then algorithmically generated everything but the real answer is that it was mostly done by hand with a template for the pattern structure, the help of Obsidian’s auto-complete combined with a keyboard macro to convert (and correct) the links, and many dozens of hours typing, copy-pasting, and tweaking. I reference these patterns directly in my Obsidian vault. I began in 2020 but I didn’t work on it in earnest until November of 2023 with a final push in April of 2024. The “master” version is my Obsidian vault. I have a custom Fish function (apl-copy) using rsync to copy from my vault to the Markdown repo that contains the patterns (and list of patterns), the README, and the LICENSE as markdown files. [1] https://patternlanguage.cc/README#how-its-made https://patternlanguage.cc/README#how-its-made [2] https://github.com/zenodotus280/apl-md https://github.com/zenodotus280/apl-md
- zenoprax 2y ago
  I've since had to make some changes so that I can benefit from crowd-sourced errata! I'm pleased you've pulled it into Obsidian - that's where it really shines.
pradn 2y ago
The website is good. But I urge people to get the book. It's a charming object. Every time you open it you land up at a charming, humanistic idea - with wonderfully evocative images. I cherish the summer I spent reading the patterns willy-nilly. It permanently changed the way I thought about space - it really matters, it changes how you feel and think, and the best part - you have agency! Make a beautiful life for yourself and those around you.
Martien 2y ago
Thanks for bringing this online! Must have been a lot of work and passion. Wish: try and bring it close to the original feel of APL and see how you like a subtle css change: a.internal { text-transformation: lowercase; font-variant: small-caps; background-color: none; } a { // color: omit // font-weight: omit } Give it a try, please. Maybe make it configurable per user?

219 points by lambdaba 2y ago

what a gift

Only missing the example drawings now. Is book artwork covered by a different license than book text? Or maybe it is just hard to digitize and integrate those images.

avhon1 2y ago
This site has most of the images, although not explicit backlinks. https://patterns-dev.github.io/patterns/clean2/patterns.htm https://patterns-dev.github.io/patterns/clean2/patterns.htm

gumby 2y ago

This book (and the timeless way of building) were so important when we designed our house with our architect. Two points that have stuck with me in the decades since: 1- find the nicest place in your property and don’t build there 2- corridors are wasted space because you travel through them and don’t linger. In the end we had only one corridor like space, and it had glass walls on all sides (one side was doors open all summer) so you felt like you were outside, plus it expanded so there was a place to sit. The two page chapter structure works well for this. The Society of Mind uses the same structure.

MaXtreeM 2y ago
Me and my wife also wanted to eliminate corridors as much as possible when we designed and discussed our house with an architect few years ago. Because of the property constraints and our other requirements about all of rooms we abandoned the idea of eliminating corridors and ended up with one long corridor through the middle of the house. After living in the house now for a few weeks we have no regrets - our son can run and ride in the corridor in the way he would not be able to otherwise and we found a way to decorate it that is quite pleasing. I am not saying that someone may be able to architect the house in other way to better use "wasted space" as you put it but we are very happy with our decision.

coley 2y ago

I’ve commented about this book here before. It’s very useful across multiple disciplines. What drew me to it was video game level-design. There’s a section on how churches and temples often have these increasingly smaller and more intimate chambers as you go deeper into the building. I found it super helpful as a lot of these little details are difficult to intuit. I appreciate that you can open the book to almost any page and gain tremendous insight.

crabmusket 2y ago
I was introduced to it, if I remember correctly, via a post on The Dark Mod forums (a Thief-like mod engine). The pattern in question was "positive outdoor space", on the importance of creating places between buildings, rather than just plopping discrete monoliths onto an empty plain. (Funnily enough, the way the original Thief engine worked was beginning with a fully solid universe which the level designers would carve air volumes out of to create the level. This was due to how the engine prioritised sound propagation. So Thief levels had to have positive outdoor spaces!)
Phiwise_ 2y ago
>What drew me to it was video game level-design. Was it Jesse Schell's The Art of Game Design for you, too? I loved that book when I thought I was going to become a game designer. When someone like Schell spoke so highly of Alexander it was plain he had to must be something really special.

aporetics 2y ago

What a great project, thank you. I appreciate that you can link to specific chapters, for example [0], or the one that I haven't been able to stop thinking about for twenty years [1],--though the latter would really benefit from the illustration. [0] https://patternlanguage.cc/Patterns/Connection-to-the-Earth-(168) https://patternlanguage.cc/Patterns/Connection-to-the-Earth-... [1] https://patternlanguage.cc/Patterns/City-Country-Fingers-(3) https://patternlanguage.cc/Patterns/City-Country-Fingers-(3)

crabmusket 2y ago
I think about Arcades[1] constantly as I walk about. Reading A Pattern Language for the first time was a revelation, because so many of the patterns put words to things I already thought or felt. Cascade of Roofs was another one like that, which explained to me something I already found beautiful. [1] https://patternlanguage.cc/Patterns/Arcades-(119) https://patternlanguage.cc/Patterns/Arcades-(119)

ThouYS 2y ago

one of the most magnificent books ever written

crabmusket 2y ago

Something that I love about A Pattern Language, and which I have seen few imitators attempt, is that it addresses a vast range of scales. The book begins audaciously by asserting that the world should be divided into political regions of population no greater than 10 million; because "regions will not come to balance until each one is small and autonomous enough to be an independent sphere of culture". https://patternlanguage.cc/Patterns/Independent-Regions-(1) https://patternlanguage.cc/Patterns/Independent-Regions-(1) After this anarchist utopia, the patterns proceed to describe the distribution of towns and cities, responses to large geographic features like valleys versus hilltops, the layout of towns, suburbs, streets, sites, buildings, and rooms, all the way down to types of chairs and the half inch of trim that joins walls of different materials. It features detours into aged care ("old people everywhere"), political economy ("self-governing workshops and offices"), culture ("dancing in the street"). Maybe the closest software work I've seen with this scope is the "blue book" on Domain-Driven Design, but even that doesn't come close to addressing the political economy of software, or the act of writing code. And that's probably fine, but it really does put A Pattern Language in a class of its own.

kolektiv 2y ago
That's an excellent summary, and I think it explains what many people (myself absolutely included) got a bit wrong when patterns first became popular in software development some years ago. While I managed to avoid the trap of pattern-itis and try to fit everything into some pattern or other, I still worked with the oversimplification that patterns were simply about a language, a way of communicating. DDD emphasised that very strongly, and it has value, but to see it as only that means missing the vast scope of the original work. I think most people read books on software patterns and heard about the original inspiration, and (without having read it) assumed it was the same "but buildings". In reality, it is as much a work of philosophy and sociology as it is about architecture - it's about lives and how people fit together more than how bricks fit together. It stands in a long tradition, Le Corbusier, for example, deriving systems for living and modular approaches to constructing space such as the Unité d'Habitation. It would be fantastic if we could get software people to read this kind of thing before they see what it's inspired in the software world - there's so much more to learn from disciplines older than ours (which is effectively all of them). A more comprehensive theory of building software systems (based on the human aspects, the social, etc., rather than the dry economic and project-management aspects comprising most formal books on such things) seems like a significant step in our little world.

Phiwise_ 2y ago

Here's some other posts on Alexander's work: Beautiful Software: Christopher Alexander's research initiative on computing - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34011469 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34011469 Dec 2022 (40 comments) Do You See a Pattern? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=972023 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=972023 Dec 2009 (30 comments) “A pattern language” explained (2016) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18644150 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18644150 Dec 2018 (22 comments) A Pattern Language (1977) [pdf] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27458721 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27458721 Jun 2021 (22 comments) Christopher Alexander: An Introduction for Object-Oriented Designers - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4965552 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4965552 Dec 2012 (19 comments) The Timeless Way of Building (1979) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10164427 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10164427 Sep 2015 (19 comments) Toward a Theory of Design as Computation - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8032648 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8032648 Jul 2014 (19 comments) Some Notes on Christopher Alexander (2008) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22869481 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22869481 Apr 2020 (18 comments) A City Is Not a Tree (1965) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21916408 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21916408 Jan 2020 (17 comments) Christopher Alexander – Patterns in Architecture (1996) [video] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17480178 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17480178 Jul 2018 (17 comments) Christopher Alexander: A Primer [video] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24033936 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24033936 Aug 2020 (11 comments) Notes on The Timeless Way of Building (2018) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23525259 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23525259 Jun 2020 (10 comments) Fifteen Fundamental Properties (2022) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40340220 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40340220 May 2024 (10 comments) A City Is Not a Tree (1965) [pdf] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9970090 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9970090 Jul 2015 (7 comments) Finding meaning in The Nature of Order - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38009174 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38009174 Oct 2023 (5 comments) Christopher Alexander’s Distribution of Towns - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9443072 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9443072 Apr 2015 (4 comments) The Origins of Pattern Theory: Christopher Alexander at OOPSLA (1996) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11334395 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11334395 Mar 2016 (4 comments) Notes on the Synthesis of Form (1964) [pdf] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9020588 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9020588 Feb 2015 (3 comments) The Fifteen Fundamental Properties of Wholeness (good design) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4965528 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4965528 Dec 2012 Empirical Findings of 'The Nature of Order' [pdf] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14502297 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14502297 Jun 2017 Plus everything that has been described using the phrase "pattern language", and a lot of the word "pattern" in reference to software design: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=pattern%20language&sort=byPopularity&type=all https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

foota 2y ago

According to wikipedia (which was itself inspired by this document's original form) this apparently inspired that software wiki that gets posted here occasionally: https://c2.com/ppr/ https://c2.com/ppr/

no_identd 2y ago

To quote Dorian Taylor[no affiliation, albeit we do follow each other on Twitter & BlueSky] from https://twitter.com/doriantaylor/status/1585008553554677762 https://twitter.com/doriantaylor/status/1585008553554677762: "Chances are if you're in software or digital design, you've heard of the book A Pattern Language, well, you may not be aware that Christopher Alexander effectively renounced patterns in 1996 (https://youtu.be/98LdFA-_zfA https://youtu.be/98LdFA-_zfA). He said he had something better… The problem is, that better something happens to be four books and 2500 pages, and weigh 12 pounds. And, it's about buildings, not software. So my service to you is interpreting the text for software, and cutting the reading down by an order of magnitude." That "something better" being Christopher Alexander's Opus Magnum, "The Nature of Order". Dorian's working on this under the name "The Nature of Software" here: https://the.natureof.software/ https://the.natureof.software/ And here: https://buttondown.email/natureofsoftware/ https://buttondown.email/natureofsoftware/

no_identd 2y ago
Addendum: He also has a good retrospective or précis (medium-length expository summary) on Christopher Alexander, how his views changed, and his work, here: https://dorian.substack.com/p/at-any-given-moment-in-a-process https://dorian.substack.com/p/at-any-given-moment-in-a-proce...
hyggetrold 2y ago
I think it's worth it for people to start by reading Alexander's writing themselves first before relying on synthesis. Alexander's aim was not simply "good ways of building things." I also think it's important for folks not to think that software and buildings are so different that the work needs translation. Alexander was after universal principles, after all. A Pattern Language is great but a lot of folks miss that it's part 2 of a greater work, with part 1 being The Timeless Way of Building. Another great Alexander book that flies under the radar is Notes on the Synthesis of Form. It's a little hard to read but there is deep deep insight about design and the design process in that little book. Highly recommend. And lastly, anyone interested should read A City Is Not A Tree: https://www.patternlanguage.com/archive/cityisnotatree.html https://www.patternlanguage.com/archive/cityisnotatree.html

dindobre 2y ago

"Four-Story Limit (21)" "There is abundant evidence to show that high buildings make people crazy." Does anyone know more?

crabmusket 2y ago
The full book contains several citations, here's one: > The strongest evidence comes from D. M. Fanning ("Families in Flats", British Medical Journal, November 18, 1967, pp. 382-86). Fanning shows a direct correlation between incidence of mental disorder and the height of people's apartments. ... And it is not simply a case of people prone to mental illness choosing high-rise apartments. A Pattern Language was published in 1977.
- dindobre 2y ago
  I've read the book before but I guess I kinda forgot about this point. Scary.

suoduandao3 2y ago

fun coincidence - I've been playing with the ideas from pattern language as ai art prompts for a while now - the project's the primary focus of my twitter feed for anyone who'd like to have a look. https://twitter.com/Eucyclos1 https://twitter.com/Eucyclos1

zenoprax 2y ago

I'm the "compiler" for this project (to say author would be aggrandizing) and it is so cool to see this on HN! Glad to see some discussion and sharing!

rbancroft 2y ago
I think it's great, nicely done! Tools like this to condense and cross-reference complex information to something you can reference easily is very useful to a human like myself.
electrondood 2y ago
Outstanding rendition of one of my favorite works. Much appreciation!

mikhailfranco 2y ago

Very glad to see this site, but I still recommend people buy the book. Read it from cover to cover, slowly, or just dip in when you have 5 minutes downtime without a screen. It has wonderful photos. The writing is poetic. The themes are mesmerizing. It slowly descends the gradient of life, from humanity to town to commerce to recreation to family to solitude. If I had to sum it up in one word, I would say humaneness. It is a wonderful musing on the human condition, as well as a series of concrete recommendations on how to improve it.

zenoprax 2y ago
I could not agree more. It's a shame it is not more accessible but it's why I cite the book itself for the full pattern.
ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
A nice side-effect, is that it will help you to make your home a lot more livable. My favorite pattern is "Light From Two Sides." Amazingly simple, and absolutely correct. Not sure where it is, in there, but I remember it clearly, when I read the book.

paulorlando 2y ago

It's a wonderful book. I first heard about it while diving into urban planning and only afterward learned that (software) developers knew it as well. I still evaluate physical or digital spaces accordingly. The patterns also influenced the way I approached my own research years later. (And I still often mentally refer to A Pattern Language even though 20 years ago a friend never returned my copy.)

kepano 2y ago

The project's readme about "How it's made"[1] is interesting. The content of the Markdown repo is enjoyable to explore as an Obsidian vault[2]. I’d like to say that I wrote some clever site scraper and then algorithmically generated everything but the real answer is that it was mostly done by hand with a template for the pattern structure, the help of Obsidian’s auto-complete combined with a keyboard macro to convert (and correct) the links, and many dozens of hours typing, copy-pasting, and tweaking. I reference these patterns directly in my Obsidian vault. I began in 2020 but I didn’t work on it in earnest until November of 2023 with a final push in April of 2024. The “master” version is my Obsidian vault. I have a custom Fish function (apl-copy) using rsync to copy from my vault to the Markdown repo that contains the patterns (and list of patterns), the README, and the LICENSE as markdown files. [1] https://patternlanguage.cc/README#how-its-made https://patternlanguage.cc/README#how-its-made [2] https://github.com/zenodotus280/apl-md https://github.com/zenodotus280/apl-md

zenoprax 2y ago
I've since had to make some changes so that I can benefit from crowd-sourced errata! I'm pleased you've pulled it into Obsidian - that's where it really shines.

pradn 2y ago

The website is good. But I urge people to get the book. It's a charming object. Every time you open it you land up at a charming, humanistic idea - with wonderfully evocative images. I cherish the summer I spent reading the patterns willy-nilly. It permanently changed the way I thought about space - it really matters, it changes how you feel and think, and the best part - you have agency! Make a beautiful life for yourself and those around you.

Martien 2y ago

Thanks for bringing this online! Must have been a lot of work and passion. Wish: try and bring it close to the original feel of APL and see how you like a subtle css change: a.internal { text-transformation: lowercase; font-variant: small-caps; background-color: none; } a { // color: omit // font-weight: omit } Give it a try, please. Maybe make it configurable per user?