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You have no physical sensors that would allow you to "feel" events up there.

adammarples 2y ago
by what sense does one 'feel' tired?
Lutger 2y ago
Not literally, though 'feeling' does a lot of work in that sentence and rightly so. You don't exactly have a physical sensor to 'feel' sad either, which also happens up there mostly, but still people usually accept that we can 'feel' the experience of sadness. Becoming aware of mental states influencing perception is how you register events up there (using meditation), which is what 'feeling' means in this context.
- lm28469 2y ago
  You can also feel things which don't exist, or not feel thing which exist, that's not really a basis for scientific discussions Your eyes can't feel infrared yet they exist, and your eyes can be tricked into feeling movement when there is none (optical illusions) I can find you people who feel the influence of Saturn on their mood... I'm always wary of people using scientific lingo to "prove" their "feelings"; "flushing", "waves", "energy", "toxins", it's way too easy to fall into new age mumbo jumbo
  - keepamovin 2y ago
    It seems you don't trust your capacity for feeling. You need to develop that more, then maybe you will understand. What you say is common among people who have not learned yet
- keepamovin 2y ago
  Yes, I literally feel the flushing. And I also hear what you say about becoming aware of subtleness to expand your awareness. This can also include physical sensations (not saying it’s the same thing as flushing, but), such as: feeling your heartbeat, feeling your blood pumping around. All of which I’m aware of, but I wasn’t before. Thank you for your supportive comment :)
cahooon 2y ago
This seems like a pretty strong claim. What do you mean by physical sensors? How does the body "up there" manage itself without being able to sense and interact with the physical (and chemical) world?
keepamovin 2y ago
Sensors? Heh :) Well, however I am able to do this, I do it. And I feel it. And you don't know. So, your model must be wrong.
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keepamovin 2y ago
You’re probably just looking to feel better about how your sleep is not good, so you don’t want to see someone validating sleep effects are useful, or saying you could fix that by doing something else. I get you don’t want to believe this, but my direct experience trumps your belief. But what you got to remember, is what you don’t have, is any ability at all to determine what physical senses or experiences or feelings or capabilities anyone else can have. You can only know yourself. And if you're coming from a limited point of view, it would be abusive to try to impose that to invalidate someone else, who’s coming from a broader perspective. Hahahaha! :)

by what sense does one 'feel' tired?

Not literally, though 'feeling' does a lot of work in that sentence and rightly so. You don't exactly have a physical sensor to 'feel' sad either, which also happens up there mostly, but still people usually accept that we can 'feel' the experience of sadness. Becoming aware of mental states influencing perception is how you register events up there (using meditation), which is what 'feeling' means in this context.

lm28469 2y ago
You can also feel things which don't exist, or not feel thing which exist, that's not really a basis for scientific discussions Your eyes can't feel infrared yet they exist, and your eyes can be tricked into feeling movement when there is none (optical illusions) I can find you people who feel the influence of Saturn on their mood... I'm always wary of people using scientific lingo to "prove" their "feelings"; "flushing", "waves", "energy", "toxins", it's way too easy to fall into new age mumbo jumbo
- keepamovin 2y ago
  It seems you don't trust your capacity for feeling. You need to develop that more, then maybe you will understand. What you say is common among people who have not learned yet
keepamovin 2y ago
Yes, I literally feel the flushing. And I also hear what you say about becoming aware of subtleness to expand your awareness. This can also include physical sensations (not saying it’s the same thing as flushing, but), such as: feeling your heartbeat, feeling your blood pumping around. All of which I’m aware of, but I wasn’t before. Thank you for your supportive comment :)

cahooon 2y ago

This seems like a pretty strong claim. What do you mean by physical sensors? How does the body "up there" manage itself without being able to sense and interact with the physical (and chemical) world?

keepamovin 2y ago

Sensors? Heh :) Well, however I am able to do this, I do it. And I feel it. And you don't know. So, your model must be wrong.

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keepamovin 2y ago

You’re probably just looking to feel better about how your sleep is not good, so you don’t want to see someone validating sleep effects are useful, or saying you could fix that by doing something else. I get you don’t want to believe this, but my direct experience trumps your belief. But what you got to remember, is what you don’t have, is any ability at all to determine what physical senses or experiences or feelings or capabilities anyone else can have. You can only know yourself. And if you're coming from a limited point of view, it would be abusive to try to impose that to invalidate someone else, who’s coming from a broader perspective. Hahahaha! :)