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> even when a human visitor has their JavaScript turned off, the email address displayed on the page remains usable NoScript on Firefox with default settings d

by magnat 2y ago

> even when a human visitor has their JavaScript turned off, the email address displayed on the page remains usable NoScript on Firefox with default settings don't render <object> tags (replaces them with placeholders), so this technique doesn't work here. https://imgur.com/2tCAgAf https://imgur.com/2tCAgAf

gwervc 2y ago
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- jdiff 2y ago
  It's not a Firefox issue, it's a NoScript issue. Chrome with its market share and propensity to implement its own standards, or Safari with its market share, quirks, and propensity to implement its own standards, make much better candidate IEs.
  - herpdyderp 2y ago
    > Safari with its market share Safari's market share is completely dwarfed by Chrome. Safari is nowhere close to IE's monopoly. Forced WebKit on iPhones and iPads is the only thing standing between Chrome and complete IE monopoly.
- StrauXX 2y ago
  Firefox is not at all the new IE. Firefox isn't worse at implementing the spec than Chrome they just make different decisions sometimes. People tend to see Chrome behaviour as the default of how things should be, rather than the specs.
  - deleted 2y ago
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- simondotau 2y ago
  This isn't an issue with Firefox, it's a consequence of the NoScript extension blocking unsafe features. The behaviour is likely same/similar with NoScript and Chrome. Chrome is the new MSIE. In both cases, a dominant position was used to dictate web standards in an unhealthy way. Microsoft did it through strategic neglect. Google is doing it by strategic smothering. Firefox and Safari are the web's last stand against an impending Chrome browser monoculture, against Google endlessly ramming new features down our throats and declaring them "standards".
  - giantrobot 2y ago
    > against Google endlessly ramming new features down our throats and declaring them "standards". New features that will be used for their intended purpose maybe 1% of the time and fingerprinting by AdTech the rest of the time. What could possibly go wrong handing the Web over to an advertising company?
- sanitycheck 2y ago
  If anything's the "new IE", it's Chrome! Dominant market position, >50% of people using it, (arguable?) abuse of a platform monopoly (search this time) to drive popularity. It also supports stuff other browsers don't, so we get sites that only work in Chrome - like we used to get sites that only worked in IE. Yes these are "web standards" now but the effect is similar. (When did you see a site that only worked in Firefox, or only in Safari?)
- phito 2y ago
  Nonsensical comment. Sounds like you just wanted to take a shot at Firefox.
Laaas 2y ago
uBlock Origin can block JS too FWIW. There’s a convenient button for it in the extended menu.
- brettermeier 2y ago
  Thank you, didn't know that!
jaeh 2y ago
it's the same in chromium.
yau8edq12i 2y ago
That's a different thing, though. Not sure why you'd make this point.

by magnat 2y ago

gwervc 2y ago

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jdiff 2y ago
It's not a Firefox issue, it's a NoScript issue. Chrome with its market share and propensity to implement its own standards, or Safari with its market share, quirks, and propensity to implement its own standards, make much better candidate IEs.
- herpdyderp 2y ago
  > Safari with its market share Safari's market share is completely dwarfed by Chrome. Safari is nowhere close to IE's monopoly. Forced WebKit on iPhones and iPads is the only thing standing between Chrome and complete IE monopoly.
StrauXX 2y ago
Firefox is not at all the new IE. Firefox isn't worse at implementing the spec than Chrome they just make different decisions sometimes. People tend to see Chrome behaviour as the default of how things should be, rather than the specs.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
simondotau 2y ago
This isn't an issue with Firefox, it's a consequence of the NoScript extension blocking unsafe features. The behaviour is likely same/similar with NoScript and Chrome. Chrome is the new MSIE. In both cases, a dominant position was used to dictate web standards in an unhealthy way. Microsoft did it through strategic neglect. Google is doing it by strategic smothering. Firefox and Safari are the web's last stand against an impending Chrome browser monoculture, against Google endlessly ramming new features down our throats and declaring them "standards".
- giantrobot 2y ago
  > against Google endlessly ramming new features down our throats and declaring them "standards". New features that will be used for their intended purpose maybe 1% of the time and fingerprinting by AdTech the rest of the time. What could possibly go wrong handing the Web over to an advertising company?
sanitycheck 2y ago
If anything's the "new IE", it's Chrome! Dominant market position, >50% of people using it, (arguable?) abuse of a platform monopoly (search this time) to drive popularity. It also supports stuff other browsers don't, so we get sites that only work in Chrome - like we used to get sites that only worked in IE. Yes these are "web standards" now but the effect is similar. (When did you see a site that only worked in Firefox, or only in Safari?)
phito 2y ago
Nonsensical comment. Sounds like you just wanted to take a shot at Firefox.

Laaas 2y ago

uBlock Origin can block JS too FWIW. There’s a convenient button for it in the extended menu.

brettermeier 2y ago
Thank you, didn't know that!

jaeh 2y ago

it's the same in chromium.

yau8edq12i 2y ago

That's a different thing, though. Not sure why you'd make this point.