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Microsoft is looking like the next Boeing for anyone paying attention to the attacks in the last couple years. End result of limitless greed. No TikTok or Snowd

by qp11 2y ago

Microsoft is looking like the next Boeing for anyone paying attention to the attacks in the last couple years. End result of limitless greed. No TikTok or Snowden required, just the fantastic Microsoft software stack. They can't even protect themselves - https://www.crn.com/news/security/2024/microsoft-says-senior-executives-hacked-by-russian-group https://www.crn.com/news/security/2024/microsoft-says-senior...

nox101 2y ago
Is that really fair? We had the xz thing recently, that was open source. I'm not saying MS isn't the worst. But there are plenty of linux exploits. An expert IT person might keep that up to date but your average business, government agency, hospital is not up to it.
- ahiknsr 2y ago
  https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/files/2024-04/CSRB_Review_of_the_Summer_2023_MEO_Intrusion_Final_508c.pdf https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/files/2024-04/CSRB_Review... > The Board concludes that Microsoft’s security culture was inadequate. The Board reaches this conclusion based on: > Microsoft’s failure to detect the compromise of its cryptographic crown jewels on its own, relying instead on a customer to reach out to identify anomalies the customer had observed > Microsoft’s failure to detect a compromise of an employee’s laptop from a recently acquired company prior to allowing it to connect to Microsoft’s corporate network in 2021
  - nox101 2y ago
    I'm not sure what your point is except when it's Windows their is a single company to blame vs when it's linux there are only random contributors from all over https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Acisa.gov+linux+security+exploit https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Acisa.gov+linux+securi...
    - ahiknsr 2y ago
      Do you not understand the difference between Microsoft and Windows?
      - nox101 2y ago
        I'm comparing two OSes and pointing out when one OS has issues there's a single source to point a finger at. When the other OS has just as many or similar issues there is no one to point a finger at. So if you total up the finger pointing, MS will appear to be doing worse than they are. Where as if you total up the issues instead of the blame, they're doing probably no worse than average, maybe better. If we're talking services, it's similar. 100 companies, 50 using MS, 50 using random non-MS software. 10 breakins in each category. MS gets the finger pointed at them 10 times. 50 random non-MS companies each get the finger pointed at them just 1 out of 5. But both MS and Non-MS have the same amount of issues in this hypothetical example, but one looks worse, even if they're not. In fact there could be 5 breakins with MS and 15 with non. But MS would have a finger pointed at them 5 times and 15 of the 50 random companies would each have a finger pointed at them only once. Yet, if you added up the numbers you'd be safer with MS (5 failures out of 50) instead of random non-MS (15 failures out of 50). I'm not saying that's how it is. I'm saying it's plausible.
        hmmm-i-wonder 2y ago
        I'm not sure your point here. MS as a company is severely compromised culturally is the root of this discussion, which impacts its products, and you're splitting hairs specific product comparisons. This isn't specifically about "windows" its about a combination of security issues a single company has had and how that will impact all their products. To compare "Microsoft" the company to individual competitors of its services doesn't serve anything here. Google, Amazon, Apple are its competitors in the relevant space (cloud/services/software) with similar size and scale would make for better comparisons if you must and OS is really one small part of the pie
        deletedie 2y ago
        This is childish and / or ignorant line of reasoning that ignores Apple, Google, IBM/Red Hat, Oracle, AWS, etc to land at an odd false dichotomy between Microsoft and "random non-MS software"
- prmoustache 2y ago
  1.Being a public domain library, likely used in many other proprietary products, I doubt the xz library would have targetted linux systems only. It may have been the first target because Linux provided a very large blast radius but it might just have been the beginning of a broader rootkit. So I wouldn't call the xz incident as linux specific. 2. I don't know why you oppose Microsoft, a provider of online services in the cloud with Linux, a small piece of software or an OS family depending on your definition. This is apples vs oranges comparison.
- Hamuko 2y ago
  Ironically enough the xz backdoor was discovered by a Microsoft employee too.
- josefx 2y ago
  The xz thing never managed to hit production versions of the affected distros. You had to use testing or similar pre production releases to get hit by it.
sofixa 2y ago
Azure's security is a joke. They're the only major cloud provider with cross-tenant security vulnerabilities, and they've had like 10 of them in the past years. Some of the absolutely trivial to exploit, indicating security isn't taken seriously.
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by qp11 2y ago

nox101 2y ago

Is that really fair? We had the xz thing recently, that was open source. I'm not saying MS isn't the worst. But there are plenty of linux exploits. An expert IT person might keep that up to date but your average business, government agency, hospital is not up to it.

ahiknsr 2y ago
https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/files/2024-04/CSRB_Review_of_the_Summer_2023_MEO_Intrusion_Final_508c.pdf https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/files/2024-04/CSRB_Review... > The Board concludes that Microsoft’s security culture was inadequate. The Board reaches this conclusion based on: > Microsoft’s failure to detect the compromise of its cryptographic crown jewels on its own, relying instead on a customer to reach out to identify anomalies the customer had observed > Microsoft’s failure to detect a compromise of an employee’s laptop from a recently acquired company prior to allowing it to connect to Microsoft’s corporate network in 2021
- nox101 2y ago
  I'm not sure what your point is except when it's Windows their is a single company to blame vs when it's linux there are only random contributors from all over https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Acisa.gov+linux+security+exploit https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Acisa.gov+linux+securi...
  - ahiknsr 2y ago
    Do you not understand the difference between Microsoft and Windows?
    - nox101 2y ago
      I'm comparing two OSes and pointing out when one OS has issues there's a single source to point a finger at. When the other OS has just as many or similar issues there is no one to point a finger at. So if you total up the finger pointing, MS will appear to be doing worse than they are. Where as if you total up the issues instead of the blame, they're doing probably no worse than average, maybe better. If we're talking services, it's similar. 100 companies, 50 using MS, 50 using random non-MS software. 10 breakins in each category. MS gets the finger pointed at them 10 times. 50 random non-MS companies each get the finger pointed at them just 1 out of 5. But both MS and Non-MS have the same amount of issues in this hypothetical example, but one looks worse, even if they're not. In fact there could be 5 breakins with MS and 15 with non. But MS would have a finger pointed at them 5 times and 15 of the 50 random companies would each have a finger pointed at them only once. Yet, if you added up the numbers you'd be safer with MS (5 failures out of 50) instead of random non-MS (15 failures out of 50). I'm not saying that's how it is. I'm saying it's plausible.
      - hmmm-i-wonder 2y ago
        I'm not sure your point here. MS as a company is severely compromised culturally is the root of this discussion, which impacts its products, and you're splitting hairs specific product comparisons. This isn't specifically about "windows" its about a combination of security issues a single company has had and how that will impact all their products. To compare "Microsoft" the company to individual competitors of its services doesn't serve anything here. Google, Amazon, Apple are its competitors in the relevant space (cloud/services/software) with similar size and scale would make for better comparisons if you must and OS is really one small part of the pie
      - deletedie 2y ago
        This is childish and / or ignorant line of reasoning that ignores Apple, Google, IBM/Red Hat, Oracle, AWS, etc to land at an odd false dichotomy between Microsoft and "random non-MS software"
prmoustache 2y ago
1.Being a public domain library, likely used in many other proprietary products, I doubt the xz library would have targetted linux systems only. It may have been the first target because Linux provided a very large blast radius but it might just have been the beginning of a broader rootkit. So I wouldn't call the xz incident as linux specific. 2. I don't know why you oppose Microsoft, a provider of online services in the cloud with Linux, a small piece of software or an OS family depending on your definition. This is apples vs oranges comparison.
Hamuko 2y ago
Ironically enough the xz backdoor was discovered by a Microsoft employee too.
josefx 2y ago
The xz thing never managed to hit production versions of the affected distros. You had to use testing or similar pre production releases to get hit by it.

sofixa 2y ago

Azure's security is a joke. They're the only major cloud provider with cross-tenant security vulnerabilities, and they've had like 10 of them in the past years. Some of the absolutely trivial to exploit, indicating security isn't taken seriously.

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