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Yeah, no. The only people who care about the company are the execs who own enough stock to care and green newbies who haven't been burned yet by companies who d

Yeah, no. The only people who care about the company are the execs who own enough stock to care and green newbies who haven't been burned yet by companies who do not care about them at all.

tucnak 2y ago
So cynical! I'm trembling.
- greenthrow 2y ago
  Don't be childish. It's just the truth.
  - tucnak 2y ago
    I think we should take the time to get in touch with your employer, and let them know that you DON'T GIVE A FUCK, & some more about how "caring" is for <s>pussies</s>, or should I say greens/grifting executives.
    - greenthrow 2y ago
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      - tucnak 2y ago
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        greenthrow 2y ago
        You realize lame responses like this are functionally an admission that your point was baseless right? When you resort to silly responses like "I'm trembling", anyone with half a brain reading that knows you have no rational response so you're falling back on playground taunting.
      - maxbond 2y ago
        Edit out swipes.
        greenthrow 2y ago
        He threatened to try to get me fired and you choose to come after me for critiquing the tone of him doing that? Absurd.
        maxbond 2y ago
        I didn't "come after you," and I didn't read the threat as sincere. If you do, email dang and tell him this person is harassing you.
        greenthrow 2y ago
        You did come after me. The point is he is saying nothing of substance and behaving like a child. I called him out on it and you give me crap for that. You're being absurd.
        maxbond 2y ago
        I reminded you that you shouldn't be rude. You don't need to be rude to get your point across. I was arguing in favor of the same perspective, I was insulted by the same person, but I managed it. Frankly I find it absurd for you to say this person is "behaving like a child" and then, when challenged on your behavior, to turn around and say "they started it." I don't think there's more to say; have a good day.
- maxbond 2y ago
  I would say your position is the cynical one. Encouraging the people who don't tie their identity to their workplace to leave so that you are only left with the ones who "care" is manipulative. It reminds me of the time I went to a real estate scam seminar. At the halfway mark, they encouraged everyone who wasn't ready to sign a check on the spot not to come back from intermission. This concept of "caring" is just a new coat of paint on "we're not just a workplace, we're a family," a strategy to get your employees to volunteer for more responsibility in exchange for kudos (rather than the pay or title they would demand if asked directly).
  - tucnak 2y ago
    There's nothing cynical about my position. It's better to be naive and go from one corporate family to another with a caring attitude, attempting to make a difference, committing to hard work, and having your heart broken, than becoming a sorry bastard like you guys. You don't need to "volunteer" anything, or do unpaid labour—to care. All this attitude of "the world/company/country owes me big-time" is poisoning your soul, man.
    - maxbond 2y ago
      You might be surprised to hear I actually do care deeply about my work and my colleagues, and have spent many a late night firefighting in production, shown up when it wasn't necessarily expected, et cetera. It's not about entitlement, is about healthy boundaries around working life. There is no virtue in burning yourself out. Your manager who tells you that you're "part of the family" is not being honest with you. When your interests and your employer's interests diverge, it will turn out that it was just a workplace, after all. Ask your coworkers who "care" what they think.
      - tucnak 2y ago
        Nothing in any of my messages indicates that I'm condoning "burnout", or any other things that you choose to draw lines in the sand around. And yet, you keep lecturing me on values of work-life balance. I care, some of my coworkers do, too. We all know who doesn't.
analognoise 2y ago
There used to be pensions - those people still cared deeply about the company after they left. Nobody has pensions anymore, and as long as your 401k is in an index you don’t care if the building collapses after you walk out the door. It’s been interesting to watch this dynamic in defense. There’s a lot of weird niche shit that’s absolutely critical and takes a really long time (and the right environment!) to become an expert in, but the turnover rate now is crazy. There’s an “old guard” (that has a pension) that kinda keep things running, but a LOT of them are retiring about now.
wildrhythms 2y ago
Agreed. But I don't even think the higherups really care, as we see them too jump from company to company every few years.

Yeah, no. The only people who care about the company are the execs who own enough stock to care and green newbies who haven't been burned yet by companies who do not care about them at all.

tucnak 2y ago

So cynical! I'm trembling.

greenthrow 2y ago
Don't be childish. It's just the truth.
- tucnak 2y ago
  I think we should take the time to get in touch with your employer, and let them know that you DON'T GIVE A FUCK, & some more about how "caring" is for <s>pussies</s>, or should I say greens/grifting executives.
  - greenthrow 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - tucnak 2y ago
      [flagged]
      - greenthrow 2y ago
        You realize lame responses like this are functionally an admission that your point was baseless right? When you resort to silly responses like "I'm trembling", anyone with half a brain reading that knows you have no rational response so you're falling back on playground taunting.
    - maxbond 2y ago
      Edit out swipes.
      - greenthrow 2y ago
        He threatened to try to get me fired and you choose to come after me for critiquing the tone of him doing that? Absurd.
        maxbond 2y ago
        I didn't "come after you," and I didn't read the threat as sincere. If you do, email dang and tell him this person is harassing you.
        greenthrow 2y ago
        You did come after me. The point is he is saying nothing of substance and behaving like a child. I called him out on it and you give me crap for that. You're being absurd.
        maxbond 2y ago
        I reminded you that you shouldn't be rude. You don't need to be rude to get your point across. I was arguing in favor of the same perspective, I was insulted by the same person, but I managed it. Frankly I find it absurd for you to say this person is "behaving like a child" and then, when challenged on your behavior, to turn around and say "they started it." I don't think there's more to say; have a good day.
maxbond 2y ago
I would say your position is the cynical one. Encouraging the people who don't tie their identity to their workplace to leave so that you are only left with the ones who "care" is manipulative. It reminds me of the time I went to a real estate scam seminar. At the halfway mark, they encouraged everyone who wasn't ready to sign a check on the spot not to come back from intermission. This concept of "caring" is just a new coat of paint on "we're not just a workplace, we're a family," a strategy to get your employees to volunteer for more responsibility in exchange for kudos (rather than the pay or title they would demand if asked directly).
- tucnak 2y ago
  There's nothing cynical about my position. It's better to be naive and go from one corporate family to another with a caring attitude, attempting to make a difference, committing to hard work, and having your heart broken, than becoming a sorry bastard like you guys. You don't need to "volunteer" anything, or do unpaid labour—to care. All this attitude of "the world/company/country owes me big-time" is poisoning your soul, man.
  - maxbond 2y ago
    You might be surprised to hear I actually do care deeply about my work and my colleagues, and have spent many a late night firefighting in production, shown up when it wasn't necessarily expected, et cetera. It's not about entitlement, is about healthy boundaries around working life. There is no virtue in burning yourself out. Your manager who tells you that you're "part of the family" is not being honest with you. When your interests and your employer's interests diverge, it will turn out that it was just a workplace, after all. Ask your coworkers who "care" what they think.
    - tucnak 2y ago
      Nothing in any of my messages indicates that I'm condoning "burnout", or any other things that you choose to draw lines in the sand around. And yet, you keep lecturing me on values of work-life balance. I care, some of my coworkers do, too. We all know who doesn't.

analognoise 2y ago

There used to be pensions - those people still cared deeply about the company after they left. Nobody has pensions anymore, and as long as your 401k is in an index you don’t care if the building collapses after you walk out the door. It’s been interesting to watch this dynamic in defense. There’s a lot of weird niche shit that’s absolutely critical and takes a really long time (and the right environment!) to become an expert in, but the turnover rate now is crazy. There’s an “old guard” (that has a pension) that kinda keep things running, but a LOT of them are retiring about now.

wildrhythms 2y ago

Agreed. But I don't even think the higherups really care, as we see them too jump from company to company every few years.