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I'm not seeing this at my workplace. People are doing what they are told, and they are returning to the office. Maybe because losing a job is risky right now, g

I'm not seeing this at my workplace. People are doing what they are told, and they are returning to the office. Maybe because losing a job is risky right now, given the current job market. edit: don't get me wrong, I don't want RTO. I'm just saying that I'm personally not seeing people quit over it.

solumunus 2y ago
I wonder how many of those are actively looking for jobs.
- Phiwise_ 2y ago
  Probably more than are going to end up finding one, unfortunately: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=1hG1R https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=1hG1R
  - tail_exchange 2y ago
    The fact that the y-axis of this graph starts at 60 instead of 0 makes it seem way worse than it actually is. We seem to be at ~70% the value pre-pandemic.
    - Phiwise_ 2y ago
      What are you talking about? It's an index. The data starts proportional at 100%. Says so on the scale. Did you not read the page? 0 would imply there is no dev jobs anywhere in the country. The industry could go through the worst crash of all time and still get nowhere near that value. Saying it's not at zero contains no useful information. 70% of normal operations is pretty dire for switching jobs compared to ordinary expectations is the point I was obviously making.
- wildrhythms 2y ago
  I have my LinkedIn "Open to offers" at all times while I'm employed, and once a week I go thru and respond to recruiter messages, and do a couple of "Quick Apply" so it keeps me fresh in the algorithm. Takes about 7 minutes of my time.
llamataboot 2y ago
I don't know why this was downvoted - i would agree that by and large people are falling in line and daring to speak up less than I've ever seen in 10+ years...
calderwoodra 2y ago
There's no risk for senior engineers. Senior engineers have all the power in the current job market. Either you're seeing mid-level or lower RTO or there's another reason.
- dole 2y ago
  Senior engineers are the new mid-level, or you graduate to management. Maybe YOUNG "senior engineers" seem to have the power, the Sr. Engineers pushing 50 and 60 need to prove their worth against younger and cheaper work, domestic or offshore/remote.
  - mostlysimilar 2y ago
    If you're working for an organization with such incompetent technical leadership to believe this then you should jump ship immediately, because they're doomed regardless.
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solumunus 2y ago

I wonder how many of those are actively looking for jobs.

Phiwise_ 2y ago
Probably more than are going to end up finding one, unfortunately: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=1hG1R https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=1hG1R
- tail_exchange 2y ago
  The fact that the y-axis of this graph starts at 60 instead of 0 makes it seem way worse than it actually is. We seem to be at ~70% the value pre-pandemic.
  - Phiwise_ 2y ago
    What are you talking about? It's an index. The data starts proportional at 100%. Says so on the scale. Did you not read the page? 0 would imply there is no dev jobs anywhere in the country. The industry could go through the worst crash of all time and still get nowhere near that value. Saying it's not at zero contains no useful information. 70% of normal operations is pretty dire for switching jobs compared to ordinary expectations is the point I was obviously making.
wildrhythms 2y ago
I have my LinkedIn "Open to offers" at all times while I'm employed, and once a week I go thru and respond to recruiter messages, and do a couple of "Quick Apply" so it keeps me fresh in the algorithm. Takes about 7 minutes of my time.

llamataboot 2y ago

I don't know why this was downvoted - i would agree that by and large people are falling in line and daring to speak up less than I've ever seen in 10+ years...

calderwoodra 2y ago

There's no risk for senior engineers. Senior engineers have all the power in the current job market. Either you're seeing mid-level or lower RTO or there's another reason.

dole 2y ago
Senior engineers are the new mid-level, or you graduate to management. Maybe YOUNG "senior engineers" seem to have the power, the Sr. Engineers pushing 50 and 60 need to prove their worth against younger and cheaper work, domestic or offshore/remote.
- mostlysimilar 2y ago
  If you're working for an organization with such incompetent technical leadership to believe this then you should jump ship immediately, because they're doomed regardless.

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