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> The truth about this universe is that Israel has been braking international humanitarian laws... What laws? Usually when people answer that question, they j

> The truth about this universe is that Israel has been braking international humanitarian laws... What laws? Usually when people answer that question, they just refer to a law ("look up the Geneva Conventions") and then disappear. If you could, please actually quote the relevant paragraphs and, even better, an actual court ruling.

runarberg 2y ago
Some of them are listed here: https://www.icj-cij.org/case/186 https://www.icj-cij.org/case/186
- rendall 2y ago
  You literally just sent a link without reading it as I asked you not to do. Please do the work of actually understanding what it is that you're linking and then explaining it. You will see that this is not whatever you seem to think it is.
  - runarberg 2y ago
    This link is to the ICJ case 186: Legal Consequences arising from the Policies and Practices of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem It was submitted to the court after the UN General Assembly resolution A/RES/77/247 was approved by a majority vote of 98 approved vs. 17 against and 52 absent. Here is a summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_consequences_arising_from_the_policies_and_practices_of_Israel_in_the_occupied_Palestinian_territory_including_East_Jerusalem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_consequences_arising_fro... This link contains all written and spoken testimonies, as well as related documents and news from the UN. In it you will find several examples of international humanitarian law broken by Israel without consequences. You will find several UN resolutions ignored by Israel without consequences. This case seeks to establish which consequences Israel should face from decades of this behavior. The ICJ accepted this case, and proclaims jurisdiction. During the oral testimonies you will find statements and conclusions such as this from South Africa: > The available evidence indicates that Israel is responsible for inhuman acts which fall within the ambit of Article 2(a), (c), (d) and (f) of the Apartheid Convention. [1] (Paragraph 115) Here is another example from the same oral testimony: > The establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli-occupied territories is considered as illegal by the international community as they are in violation of Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention. Paragraph 6 of Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention provides that “the Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies”. t therefore follows that any legislation authorising settlements or the extension of settlements “adopted by Israel to facilitate or set up settlements would be in violation of Article 43 I gave you this link because it is full of legal experts from all over the world citing humanitarian law and explaining how Israel is breaking them. This case would have been ongoing today even without Oct 7 and without the Gaza genocide. This case and the number of written and oral testimonies, and the content of these testimonies, is proof that the world is fed up with Israel’s behavior towards the Palestinians. 1: https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/186/186-20230725-wri-14-00-en.pdf https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/186...
    - rendall 2y ago
      This is not a judgment. It's an accusation by South Africa. Neither more nor less. The ICJ has not rendered any decision yet. Ok, I've tried to get a coherent argument out of you and I have just about given up. If you'd like to have the final word, feel free. I'll read whatever you have to say, but probably will not respond.
      - runarberg 2y ago
        My point was that the world is fed up with Israel’s behavior, and I gave this ICJ case as an example of how fed up the world is. This case is an action the world has taken in the hopes that Israel will finally have to face consequences for their violations of international humanitarian laws. You asked which ones, and the answer is in the case, as described by experts. > The ICJ has not rendered any decision yet. I know, however the world believes Israel has violated several UN orders, and is taking action based on that belief. > It's an accusation by South Africa. It is not. I cited two paragraphs from the written statement given by South Africa. This is more like a witness statement than accusations. South Africa gave Oral Testimonies reflecting this written statement[1] (page 10) The accusations were done by the General assembly back in December 2022 (read the actual accusations here[2]). 87 countries votes in favor of these accusations, 26 against, and 53 abstentions The reason I’m citing these is that actual legal experts formed a consensus about these and submitted them to the world’s highest court, which accepted the case. This is not just my opinion, but the opinion of several legal experts spanning most of the world. Like I said, you may not like it, but the world is taking actions against Israel’s human rights violations. This would have happened even without the Gaza Genocide being a part of this reality. [1]: https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/186/186-20240220-ora-01-00-bi.pdf https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/186... [2]: https://www.undocs.org/A/RES/77/247 https://www.undocs.org/A/RES/77/247 EDIT: And if you want examples of specific laws which Israel has definetly broken, with an ICJ judgement to prove it. Then read case 131 https://www.icj-cij.org/case/131 https://www.icj-cij.org/case/131 which ruled Israel to be in violation of certain International Humanitarian Law by building the border wall, which still stands today and is cited in the resolution I cited above https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/n04/419/86/pdf/n0441986.pdf?token=iosJDZHANMGotwwMZD&fe=true https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/n04/419/86/pdf/n04419... This is just one of many examples of international human rights violations of Israel, some of which have the backing of an ICJ court behind it.

runarberg 2y ago

Some of them are listed here: https://www.icj-cij.org/case/186 https://www.icj-cij.org/case/186

rendall 2y ago
You literally just sent a link without reading it as I asked you not to do. Please do the work of actually understanding what it is that you're linking and then explaining it. You will see that this is not whatever you seem to think it is.
- runarberg 2y ago
  This link is to the ICJ case 186: Legal Consequences arising from the Policies and Practices of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem It was submitted to the court after the UN General Assembly resolution A/RES/77/247 was approved by a majority vote of 98 approved vs. 17 against and 52 absent. Here is a summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_consequences_arising_from_the_policies_and_practices_of_Israel_in_the_occupied_Palestinian_territory_including_East_Jerusalem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_consequences_arising_fro... This link contains all written and spoken testimonies, as well as related documents and news from the UN. In it you will find several examples of international humanitarian law broken by Israel without consequences. You will find several UN resolutions ignored by Israel without consequences. This case seeks to establish which consequences Israel should face from decades of this behavior. The ICJ accepted this case, and proclaims jurisdiction. During the oral testimonies you will find statements and conclusions such as this from South Africa: > The available evidence indicates that Israel is responsible for inhuman acts which fall within the ambit of Article 2(a), (c), (d) and (f) of the Apartheid Convention. [1] (Paragraph 115) Here is another example from the same oral testimony: > The establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli-occupied territories is considered as illegal by the international community as they are in violation of Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention. Paragraph 6 of Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention provides that “the Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies”. t therefore follows that any legislation authorising settlements or the extension of settlements “adopted by Israel to facilitate or set up settlements would be in violation of Article 43 I gave you this link because it is full of legal experts from all over the world citing humanitarian law and explaining how Israel is breaking them. This case would have been ongoing today even without Oct 7 and without the Gaza genocide. This case and the number of written and oral testimonies, and the content of these testimonies, is proof that the world is fed up with Israel’s behavior towards the Palestinians. 1: https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/186/186-20230725-wri-14-00-en.pdf https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/186...
  - rendall 2y ago
    This is not a judgment. It's an accusation by South Africa. Neither more nor less. The ICJ has not rendered any decision yet. Ok, I've tried to get a coherent argument out of you and I have just about given up. If you'd like to have the final word, feel free. I'll read whatever you have to say, but probably will not respond.
    - runarberg 2y ago
      My point was that the world is fed up with Israel’s behavior, and I gave this ICJ case as an example of how fed up the world is. This case is an action the world has taken in the hopes that Israel will finally have to face consequences for their violations of international humanitarian laws. You asked which ones, and the answer is in the case, as described by experts. > The ICJ has not rendered any decision yet. I know, however the world believes Israel has violated several UN orders, and is taking action based on that belief. > It's an accusation by South Africa. It is not. I cited two paragraphs from the written statement given by South Africa. This is more like a witness statement than accusations. South Africa gave Oral Testimonies reflecting this written statement[1] (page 10) The accusations were done by the General assembly back in December 2022 (read the actual accusations here[2]). 87 countries votes in favor of these accusations, 26 against, and 53 abstentions The reason I’m citing these is that actual legal experts formed a consensus about these and submitted them to the world’s highest court, which accepted the case. This is not just my opinion, but the opinion of several legal experts spanning most of the world. Like I said, you may not like it, but the world is taking actions against Israel’s human rights violations. This would have happened even without the Gaza Genocide being a part of this reality. [1]: https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/186/186-20240220-ora-01-00-bi.pdf https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/186... [2]: https://www.undocs.org/A/RES/77/247 https://www.undocs.org/A/RES/77/247 EDIT: And if you want examples of specific laws which Israel has definetly broken, with an ICJ judgement to prove it. Then read case 131 https://www.icj-cij.org/case/131 https://www.icj-cij.org/case/131 which ruled Israel to be in violation of certain International Humanitarian Law by building the border wall, which still stands today and is cited in the resolution I cited above https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/n04/419/86/pdf/n0441986.pdf?token=iosJDZHANMGotwwMZD&fe=true https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/n04/419/86/pdf/n04419... This is just one of many examples of international human rights violations of Israel, some of which have the backing of an ICJ court behind it.