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Frankly, I do not see a justification for this technology at this point. Sure it’s good but nothing is really comparable to an attentive operator when even one

Frankly, I do not see a justification for this technology at this point. Sure it’s good but nothing is really comparable to an attentive operator when even one multi-thousand pound hunk of deadly steel is hurtling down the road, let alone hundreds and thousands, and lives at stake. It simply is madness.

FeloniousHam 2y ago
> Frankly, I do not see a justification for this technology at this point. Drunks and the drowsy. Sure, they should have called an Uber or chosen not to drive at all. But the road is safer for having that multi-thousand pound hunk of steel steered by a more competent and attentive driver (FSD)
- micah94 2y ago
  Surely this is sarcasm. You'd prefer a drunk person getting into a Tesla with FSD vs. an attentive and alert person driving (anything else)? I'm sorry but being drunk and getting behind the wheel, that's an automatic fail. I don't care what you're driving. You shouldn't be behind that wheel in a position of responsibility when you are under the influence. I include 'thinking the Tesla will just handle it' as under the influence.
  - FeloniousHam 2y ago
    My point is not that a drunk "should" drive, even with FSD. It's that clearly they do. I know someone personally who drives under the influence frequently despite the legal and material risks. No one thinks this is a good idea. I would absolutely prefer any driver using FSD, but especially one physically and mentally inhibited by drugs or alcohol. > I include 'thinking the Tesla will just handle it' as under the influence. I've commented on this before, but: no one using FSD for even a short period of time is "under the influence" of the branding. The lived experience of the technology is that is amazing and useful, even if it flawed. YMMV
- binary132 2y ago
  Self driving cars should exist because careless people might not drive safely? That’s interesting. How about we just make it illegal to drive drunk or drowsy?
  - FeloniousHam 2y ago
    It already is illegal (certainly to drive under the influence). But consider even someone driving "buzzed" (not "drunk", and maybe not even strictly over the legal limit): is the roadway safer with or without "Full" Self Driving technology?

FeloniousHam 2y ago

> Frankly, I do not see a justification for this technology at this point. Drunks and the drowsy. Sure, they should have called an Uber or chosen not to drive at all. But the road is safer for having that multi-thousand pound hunk of steel steered by a more competent and attentive driver (FSD)

micah94 2y ago
Surely this is sarcasm. You'd prefer a drunk person getting into a Tesla with FSD vs. an attentive and alert person driving (anything else)? I'm sorry but being drunk and getting behind the wheel, that's an automatic fail. I don't care what you're driving. You shouldn't be behind that wheel in a position of responsibility when you are under the influence. I include 'thinking the Tesla will just handle it' as under the influence.
- FeloniousHam 2y ago
  My point is not that a drunk "should" drive, even with FSD. It's that clearly they do. I know someone personally who drives under the influence frequently despite the legal and material risks. No one thinks this is a good idea. I would absolutely prefer any driver using FSD, but especially one physically and mentally inhibited by drugs or alcohol. > I include 'thinking the Tesla will just handle it' as under the influence. I've commented on this before, but: no one using FSD for even a short period of time is "under the influence" of the branding. The lived experience of the technology is that is amazing and useful, even if it flawed. YMMV
binary132 2y ago
Self driving cars should exist because careless people might not drive safely? That’s interesting. How about we just make it illegal to drive drunk or drowsy?
- FeloniousHam 2y ago
  It already is illegal (certainly to drive under the influence). But consider even someone driving "buzzed" (not "drunk", and maybe not even strictly over the legal limit): is the roadway safer with or without "Full" Self Driving technology?