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Tesla opened ~ 2,500 supercharger stations over the same period https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Supercharger#Deployment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla

Tesla opened ~ 2,500 supercharger stations over the same period https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Supercharger#Deployment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Supercharger#Deployment

ceejayoz 2y ago
Twelve years into deployment, and with their fourth version so far. > The first Superchargers in the world opened in 2012 in the United States. Six stations were deployed along Interstate 5 in California, enabling trips from Los Angeles, California and San Francisco, California and two stations deployed along Interstate 95, enabling trips between Boston, Massachusetts and Washington, DC. By mid-July 2013, 15 stations were open across the United States. So, a little more than seven - barely - in the first two years of the project, if you count the presumably non-zero time in advance of the first install for construction, permiting, etc.
- beefman 2y ago
  Not sure what your point is. The type of stations being subsidized are broadly similar to, and if anything predate, Tesla's stations. There is nothing new to spin up. The reasons for the failure lie elsewhere.
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    There's absolutely stuff to spin up on a project to install 50k chargers in 50 states. Among them, getting manufacturers to agree on a charging standard, which only happened very recently. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Charging_Standard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Charging_Standa... > From June 2023 through February 2024, automakers BMW Group, Fisker, General Motors, Honda, Hyundai Motor Group, Jaguar Land Rover, Lotus Cars, Lucid Motors, Mazda, Mercedes-Benz, Nissan, Polestar, Rivian, Stellantis, Subaru, Toyota, Volvo Cars, and Volkswagen Group all announced that they would equip their electric vehicles sold in the North American market with NACS charge ports from the factory starting in 2025, with adapters available for existing vehicles. As of February 2024, Mitsubishi Motors is the only legacy automaker who has not announced that it will adopt NACS. I promise you, my decade of experience building websites helps me do it faster than a newbie using the same tools.
  - janice1999 2y ago
    Clearly you've never had to build anything. It takes a long time to identify sites, get permissions in place, co-ordinate between utility provides and local governments, pass environmental assessments, health and safety etc etc. We're talking about installing very high voltage chargers here. You can't pick a spot on a map and install one the next week.

Tesla opened ~ 2,500 supercharger stations over the same period https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Supercharger#Deployment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Supercharger#Deployment

ceejayoz 2y ago

Twelve years into deployment, and with their fourth version so far. > The first Superchargers in the world opened in 2012 in the United States. Six stations were deployed along Interstate 5 in California, enabling trips from Los Angeles, California and San Francisco, California and two stations deployed along Interstate 95, enabling trips between Boston, Massachusetts and Washington, DC. By mid-July 2013, 15 stations were open across the United States. So, a little more than seven - barely - in the first two years of the project, if you count the presumably non-zero time in advance of the first install for construction, permiting, etc.

beefman 2y ago
Not sure what your point is. The type of stations being subsidized are broadly similar to, and if anything predate, Tesla's stations. There is nothing new to spin up. The reasons for the failure lie elsewhere.
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  There's absolutely stuff to spin up on a project to install 50k chargers in 50 states. Among them, getting manufacturers to agree on a charging standard, which only happened very recently. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Charging_Standard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Charging_Standa... > From June 2023 through February 2024, automakers BMW Group, Fisker, General Motors, Honda, Hyundai Motor Group, Jaguar Land Rover, Lotus Cars, Lucid Motors, Mazda, Mercedes-Benz, Nissan, Polestar, Rivian, Stellantis, Subaru, Toyota, Volvo Cars, and Volkswagen Group all announced that they would equip their electric vehicles sold in the North American market with NACS charge ports from the factory starting in 2025, with adapters available for existing vehicles. As of February 2024, Mitsubishi Motors is the only legacy automaker who has not announced that it will adopt NACS. I promise you, my decade of experience building websites helps me do it faster than a newbie using the same tools.
- janice1999 2y ago
  Clearly you've never had to build anything. It takes a long time to identify sites, get permissions in place, co-ordinate between utility provides and local governments, pass environmental assessments, health and safety etc etc. We're talking about installing very high voltage chargers here. You can't pick a spot on a map and install one the next week.