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>If you live in a community, that means sometimes the community makes decisions for you. Your logic is the nonsense logic used by every evil man to justify wha

>If you live in a community, that means sometimes the community makes decisions for you. Your logic is the nonsense logic used by every evil man to justify whatever atrocity they feel necessary, responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths in the 20th century alone. If every human being in the world stood up and said no to taxation and no to conscription, there wouldn't have been any world wars or genocides. It's not the "community" that decides to war, in almost all cases politicians who have a vested financial interest in war and nothing to lose, sending common people to die who have everything to lose and nothing to gain.

tivert 2y ago
> Your logic is the nonsense logic used by every evil man to justify whatever atrocity they feel necessary, responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths in the 20th century alone. I think your problem is you're being too black and white and focusing too much on extreme examples. It's absolutely true that if you live in a community, that means sometimes the community makes decisions for you. If an "evil man" somehow gets control of that community, that's a different issue. > If every human being in the world stood up and said no to taxation and no to conscription, there wouldn't have been any world wars or genocides. Maybe so, but what other bad things would that impossible collective decision have caused (which is particularly true that you talk about taxation and conscription in the same breath). Everyone would certainly be living in a much lower level of technological development, without access to effective modern medical care and likely subject to famine, etc. Without taxation, you don't have law beyond custom, and without that you have no modern capitalism. And that kind of collective decision is a fantasy. Reality means the people who "say no to taxation and conscription" become the prey of people who do and organize themselves at a higher level.
dvfjsdhgfv 2y ago
> in almost all cases politicians who have a vested financial interest in war and nothing to lose I don't believe you grasp the intricacies of motivations of people who decided to be politicians and won the race to the top where they can start wars at will. To many of them the root cause is not money, which they already have more than they can consume in many lifetimes, but the desire to grow their power.

tivert 2y ago

> Your logic is the nonsense logic used by every evil man to justify whatever atrocity they feel necessary, responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths in the 20th century alone. I think your problem is you're being too black and white and focusing too much on extreme examples. It's absolutely true that if you live in a community, that means sometimes the community makes decisions for you. If an "evil man" somehow gets control of that community, that's a different issue. > If every human being in the world stood up and said no to taxation and no to conscription, there wouldn't have been any world wars or genocides. Maybe so, but what other bad things would that impossible collective decision have caused (which is particularly true that you talk about taxation and conscription in the same breath). Everyone would certainly be living in a much lower level of technological development, without access to effective modern medical care and likely subject to famine, etc. Without taxation, you don't have law beyond custom, and without that you have no modern capitalism. And that kind of collective decision is a fantasy. Reality means the people who "say no to taxation and conscription" become the prey of people who do and organize themselves at a higher level.

dvfjsdhgfv 2y ago

> in almost all cases politicians who have a vested financial interest in war and nothing to lose I don't believe you grasp the intricacies of motivations of people who decided to be politicians and won the race to the top where they can start wars at will. To many of them the root cause is not money, which they already have more than they can consume in many lifetimes, but the desire to grow their power.