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Faced with RTO mandates, some top tech talent left instead

20 points by isaacfrond 2y ago

fidla 2y ago
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mixedCase 2y ago
https://archive.is/2HWfB https://archive.is/2HWfB
drewg123 2y ago
https://archive.is/vFFsm https://archive.is/vFFsm
nytesky 2y ago
When dealing with a hardware based, real-time events like SpaceX, having regular RTO time makes sense — mission rehearsals, coop activities, etc as well as actual launches and anomaly response. A lot can be done remotely, but I have yet to find a good white board replacement for team problem solving. And when looking at some schematics, a large print out is hard to beat. On a side note, does this kind of room really exist anywhere? https://www.vaultofculture.com/vault/nst/2019/12/11/siliconvalley https://www.vaultofculture.com/vault/nst/2019/12/11/siliconv...
- alanfranz 2y ago
  The office has its problems as well, btw. Not all the work (especially as a software engineer) are just collaboration. And typical modern offices just suck. Btw virtual whiteboarding like miro, lucidspark, freeform, work actually quite well.
  - banish-m4 2y ago
    Office problems: - Noisy and interruption-prone due to poor interior design and open office style - Lack of privacy also due to open office design - Lack of amenities I have at home - Lack of availability of video conference rooms - Hot desking takes more time, is unpredictable, and people leave trash, junk, dirt, and reconfigure monitors oddly without putting them back - Quality of meal and other office perks aren't all that good, and got worse with the shrinkflation and layoffs
tssva 2y ago
I was fully remote for years prior to the pandemic. My employer went fully remote for everyone during the pandemic. They then did a RTO which was going to apply to me also. I retired last summer at age 54 instead. Now I spend my time managing a horse farm and renovations on an accompanying 1886 house which if things go well we will actually get to occupy sometime this year. Beats the heck out of an office.
banish-m4 2y ago
RTO control freak mandates can pound salt. Their propping up of commercial real estate isn't my problem. What are externality costs are relocation, discovery of personal goods and services shops, friends, commuting, and real estate. It's just too expensive.

20 points by isaacfrond 2y ago

fidla 2y ago

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mixedCase 2y ago

https://archive.is/2HWfB https://archive.is/2HWfB

drewg123 2y ago

https://archive.is/vFFsm https://archive.is/vFFsm

nytesky 2y ago

When dealing with a hardware based, real-time events like SpaceX, having regular RTO time makes sense — mission rehearsals, coop activities, etc as well as actual launches and anomaly response. A lot can be done remotely, but I have yet to find a good white board replacement for team problem solving. And when looking at some schematics, a large print out is hard to beat. On a side note, does this kind of room really exist anywhere? https://www.vaultofculture.com/vault/nst/2019/12/11/siliconvalley https://www.vaultofculture.com/vault/nst/2019/12/11/siliconv...

alanfranz 2y ago
The office has its problems as well, btw. Not all the work (especially as a software engineer) are just collaboration. And typical modern offices just suck. Btw virtual whiteboarding like miro, lucidspark, freeform, work actually quite well.
- banish-m4 2y ago
  Office problems: - Noisy and interruption-prone due to poor interior design and open office style - Lack of privacy also due to open office design - Lack of amenities I have at home - Lack of availability of video conference rooms - Hot desking takes more time, is unpredictable, and people leave trash, junk, dirt, and reconfigure monitors oddly without putting them back - Quality of meal and other office perks aren't all that good, and got worse with the shrinkflation and layoffs

tssva 2y ago

I was fully remote for years prior to the pandemic. My employer went fully remote for everyone during the pandemic. They then did a RTO which was going to apply to me also. I retired last summer at age 54 instead. Now I spend my time managing a horse farm and renovations on an accompanying 1886 house which if things go well we will actually get to occupy sometime this year. Beats the heck out of an office.

banish-m4 2y ago

RTO control freak mandates can pound salt. Their propping up of commercial real estate isn't my problem. What are externality costs are relocation, discovery of personal goods and services shops, friends, commuting, and real estate. It's just too expensive.