> If you were serious, you would be capable of making much better arguments, The argument I made, viz user's needs from a product are quite different to what y

> If you were serious, you would be capable of making much better arguments, The argument I made, viz user's needs from a product are quite different to what you imagine their needs are, is enough. It's actually a self-evident assertion in many contexts. All the successful products from that time paid little to no attention to security. Phones, operating systems, ERP software, instant messaging. I don't see how PHP was different in this regard. Nothing and no one was paying attention to security: you could (and I did) send email by simply telnetting to a server and talking SMTP to it. The internet was not a place where security was a large consideration. The only secure thing was https, which few places used. You, on the other hand, are quick to call someone a shill, quick to impugn someone else to make your argument look stronger and ignore any arguments made in favour of what your emotions tell you. We're both talking here under our real names.