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Neither of these terms seem to exist on wiktionary.

msephton 2y ago
These are individual characters that cannot be easily typed as they are enclosed in a circle and, as noted in the blog post, only included in some character sets for a limited time. Most commonly they are typed as a circle followed by the character as in ○ビ and ○金 (used in my blog post) or enclosed in brackets to approximate a circle as in（金）and（ビ）or you can type unicode joining character to have the characters overlap each other as at https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/囲み文字#仮名文字 https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/囲み文字#仮名文字 - https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/金 https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/金 - https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/び https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/び The characters that are circled are: - https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/金#Japanese https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/金#Japanese - https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ビ#Japanese https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ビ#Japanese This is somewhat related to the paragraph about Wikipedia that I put in the blog post. 1984 was very pre-internet and this stuff only happened in Japan. So, there are many references to Maru-kin ○金 and Maru-bi ○ビ in the book, and on the internet, and they're mentioned on Japanese wikipedia. But whether or not there's enough quality citations from verifiable sources to please English Wiktionary or Wikipedia is a battle I simply don't have the energy to get into these days. I'd encourage you to ask any sufficiently old Japanese person and they will let you know all about this era, and then gather enough quality cites. Unicode comes close for kin (metal/rich): - Circled https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+328E https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+328E - Parenthesized https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+322E https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+322E ...but not for bi (poor) After the book, and the 84年の日本流行語 (Japanese Buzzwords Award 1984), these symbols also featured in a movie based on the book - https://www.nikkatsu.com/movie/26211.html https://www.nikkatsu.com/movie/26211.html
- BlueTemplar 2y ago
  Why would you update the English Wikipedia before the Japanese one ?
  - msephton 2y ago
    Why wouldn't I? I'm a native English speaker. But, I won't be updating any wikis as I don't enjoy it.
    - BlueTemplar 2y ago
      Because it's a Japanese-specific phenomenon (isn't it ?), and I would expect that different language Wikipedias copy from each other all the time, so if your goal was to (as I assumed it to) to put that information on (at least) the English Wikipedia, then having it first featured on the Japanese one would give it much more weight ?
      - msephton 2y ago
        Emoji is of Japanese origin but absolutely a worldwide phenomenon at this point!?! Of course this new info should be on all wikis, but I don't think it matters at all which one comes first. I don't edit Wikipedia, so I don't have any skin in the game.
- uasi 2y ago
  Circled or parenthesized kin also means kinyoubi (friday), so it's not surprising that Unicode only includes maru-kin.

These are individual characters that cannot be easily typed as they are enclosed in a circle and, as noted in the blog post, only included in some character sets for a limited time. Most commonly they are typed as a circle followed by the character as in ○ビ and ○金 (used in my blog post) or enclosed in brackets to approximate a circle as in（金）and（ビ）or you can type unicode joining character to have the characters overlap each other as at https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/囲み文字#仮名文字 https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/囲み文字#仮名文字 - https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/金 https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/金 - https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/び https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/び The characters that are circled are: - https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/金#Japanese https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/金#Japanese - https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ビ#Japanese https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ビ#Japanese This is somewhat related to the paragraph about Wikipedia that I put in the blog post. 1984 was very pre-internet and this stuff only happened in Japan. So, there are many references to Maru-kin ○金 and Maru-bi ○ビ in the book, and on the internet, and they're mentioned on Japanese wikipedia. But whether or not there's enough quality citations from verifiable sources to please English Wiktionary or Wikipedia is a battle I simply don't have the energy to get into these days. I'd encourage you to ask any sufficiently old Japanese person and they will let you know all about this era, and then gather enough quality cites. Unicode comes close for kin (metal/rich): - Circled https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+328E https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+328E - Parenthesized https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+322E https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+322E ...but not for bi (poor) After the book, and the 84年の日本流行語 (Japanese Buzzwords Award 1984), these symbols also featured in a movie based on the book - https://www.nikkatsu.com/movie/26211.html https://www.nikkatsu.com/movie/26211.html

BlueTemplar 2y ago
Why would you update the English Wikipedia before the Japanese one ?
- msephton 2y ago
  Why wouldn't I? I'm a native English speaker. But, I won't be updating any wikis as I don't enjoy it.
  - BlueTemplar 2y ago
    Because it's a Japanese-specific phenomenon (isn't it ?), and I would expect that different language Wikipedias copy from each other all the time, so if your goal was to (as I assumed it to) to put that information on (at least) the English Wikipedia, then having it first featured on the Japanese one would give it much more weight ?
    - msephton 2y ago
      Emoji is of Japanese origin but absolutely a worldwide phenomenon at this point!?! Of course this new info should be on all wikis, but I don't think it matters at all which one comes first. I don't edit Wikipedia, so I don't have any skin in the game.
uasi 2y ago
Circled or parenthesized kin also means kinyoubi (friday), so it's not surprising that Unicode only includes maru-kin.