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> in countries where you go to jail for criticizing Catholic Church I'm yet to hear of such a country. Aren't you thinking of lese majesté laws that some count

> in countries where you go to jail for criticizing Catholic Church I'm yet to hear of such a country. Aren't you thinking of lese majesté laws that some countries like Spain and the Netherlands have?

pineaux 2y ago
No-one in at least a century has been sent to jail for criticizing the church in holland; and especially not the Catholic church.
- namaria 2y ago
  Lese majeste laws have nothing to do with religion
ajuc 2y ago
"Insulting the religious feelings" is the phrasing here in Poland. It's almost exclusively prosecuted when the hurt feelings are on the side of the vast majority = Catholics. There's about 50 people sentenced per year. My point wasn't that, my point was that people supporing these consider themselves "fighting for free speech" because they want to be able to insult minorities.
- namaria 2y ago
  Couldn't find a single instance of someone being jailed under this law
gpderetta 2y ago
Italy still has blasphemy laws; although it has been decriminalized, you can still get an administrative fine. It also still has lese majesté laws.
- namaria 2y ago
  Fines are not jailing.
sndean 2y ago
You can search for blasphemy laws here [0]. I just looked for countries that are predominantly Catholic. Only obvious one where this may be currently enforced is El Salvador? Though I can't quickly find any recent examples, so maybe that's not true. And places like Monaco still haven't repealed those laws. Edit: also Poland – from a sibling comment. [0] https://end-blasphemy-laws.org/countries/ https://end-blasphemy-laws.org/countries/
- namaria 2y ago
  While this website claims several countries have statutes that allow incarceration under blasphemy convictions, I couldn't find a single instance of a person being jailed in the past few decades under any of them.
  - sndean 2y ago
    Yes, restricting scope to jailing for criticizing the Catholic Church, I only see suspended sentences and fines in places like Poland. Expanding to other religions, there are people currently in prison for Quran burning, and religious prisoners in NATO countries (Turkey).
    - namaria 2y ago
      Ah so if we are talking about what I was talking about yes but at the same time there are things I wasn't talking about that are different. Noted.

pineaux 2y ago

No-one in at least a century has been sent to jail for criticizing the church in holland; and especially not the Catholic church.

namaria 2y ago
Lese majeste laws have nothing to do with religion

ajuc 2y ago

"Insulting the religious feelings" is the phrasing here in Poland. It's almost exclusively prosecuted when the hurt feelings are on the side of the vast majority = Catholics. There's about 50 people sentenced per year. My point wasn't that, my point was that people supporing these consider themselves "fighting for free speech" because they want to be able to insult minorities.

namaria 2y ago
Couldn't find a single instance of someone being jailed under this law

gpderetta 2y ago

Italy still has blasphemy laws; although it has been decriminalized, you can still get an administrative fine. It also still has lese majesté laws.

namaria 2y ago
Fines are not jailing.

sndean 2y ago

You can search for blasphemy laws here [0]. I just looked for countries that are predominantly Catholic. Only obvious one where this may be currently enforced is El Salvador? Though I can't quickly find any recent examples, so maybe that's not true. And places like Monaco still haven't repealed those laws. Edit: also Poland – from a sibling comment. [0] https://end-blasphemy-laws.org/countries/ https://end-blasphemy-laws.org/countries/

namaria 2y ago
While this website claims several countries have statutes that allow incarceration under blasphemy convictions, I couldn't find a single instance of a person being jailed in the past few decades under any of them.
- sndean 2y ago
  Yes, restricting scope to jailing for criticizing the Catholic Church, I only see suspended sentences and fines in places like Poland. Expanding to other religions, there are people currently in prison for Quran burning, and religious prisoners in NATO countries (Turkey).
  - namaria 2y ago
    Ah so if we are talking about what I was talking about yes but at the same time there are things I wasn't talking about that are different. Noted.