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No, you're not a serious or professional person. And you don't use dashes in environment variable names, you use underscores.

lelanthran 3y ago
> No, you're not a serious or professional person. For the record, I actually am. But, like I said, if you were one too, you wouldn't be making mostly irrelevant digressions.
- DonHopkins 3y ago
  If you were serious, you would be capable of making much better arguments, and be able to address the ones I made, instead of doubling down on your praise and water carrying of Win32's and PHP's mediocrity and insecurity, and defense of Rasmus's arrogant and negligent carelessness. Doubling down on your arguments is like bragging about shooting your puppy the face and claiming you stared down Kim Jong-il, instead of just admitting you made a mistake. It doesn't save face as much as you'd like to imagine, or lend any credibility to your self-aggrandizing claims of seriousness and professionalism. You must be fun to work with. /s
  - lelanthran 3y ago
    > If you were serious, you would be capable of making much better arguments, The argument I made, viz user's needs from a product are quite different to what you imagine their needs are, is enough. It's actually a self-evident assertion in many contexts. All the successful products from that time paid little to no attention to security. Phones, operating systems, ERP software, instant messaging. I don't see how PHP was different in this regard. Nothing and no one was paying attention to security: you could (and I did) send email by simply telnetting to a server and talking SMTP to it. The internet was not a place where security was a large consideration. The only secure thing was https, which few places used. You, on the other hand, are quick to call someone a shill, quick to impugn someone else to make your argument look stronger and ignore any arguments made in favour of what your emotions tell you. We're both talking here under our real names.

lelanthran 3y ago

> No, you're not a serious or professional person. For the record, I actually am. But, like I said, if you were one too, you wouldn't be making mostly irrelevant digressions.

DonHopkins 3y ago
If you were serious, you would be capable of making much better arguments, and be able to address the ones I made, instead of doubling down on your praise and water carrying of Win32's and PHP's mediocrity and insecurity, and defense of Rasmus's arrogant and negligent carelessness. Doubling down on your arguments is like bragging about shooting your puppy the face and claiming you stared down Kim Jong-il, instead of just admitting you made a mistake. It doesn't save face as much as you'd like to imagine, or lend any credibility to your self-aggrandizing claims of seriousness and professionalism. You must be fun to work with. /s
- lelanthran 3y ago
  > If you were serious, you would be capable of making much better arguments, The argument I made, viz user's needs from a product are quite different to what you imagine their needs are, is enough. It's actually a self-evident assertion in many contexts. All the successful products from that time paid little to no attention to security. Phones, operating systems, ERP software, instant messaging. I don't see how PHP was different in this regard. Nothing and no one was paying attention to security: you could (and I did) send email by simply telnetting to a server and talking SMTP to it. The internet was not a place where security was a large consideration. The only secure thing was https, which few places used. You, on the other hand, are quick to call someone a shill, quick to impugn someone else to make your argument look stronger and ignore any arguments made in favour of what your emotions tell you. We're both talking here under our real names.