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I would have never expected this. I thought no one had a moat in AI, so why can’t Apple just use/extend one of the existing open solutions? Also, how does Apple

by sureIy 2y ago

I would have never expected this. I thought no one had a moat in AI, so why can’t Apple just use/extend one of the existing open solutions? Also, how does Apple deal with providing Siri data to a third party?

jsheard 2y ago
If anyone can strong-arm OpenAI into letting them self-host their models, it's Apple.
- stavros 2y ago
  How can apple strongarm OpenAI?
  - jsheard 2y ago
    The same way they strong-arm TSMC into giving them exclusive first dibs on new process nodes - by having more money than God and making an offer they can't refuse.
    - stavros 2y ago
      You and I have very different definitions of the word "strong-arm". By that definition, I just strong-armed Apple into giving me an iPhone by giving them $1200.
      - sureIy 2y ago
        Not the same. If Apple pays OpenAI, it won’t give them 0.001% of their profits, but something like 20%. If your iPad is worth 20% of Apple’s profits, you bet Tim will be hand-holding you through the obnoxious setup process.
        stavros 2y ago
        Me buying something is different from Apple buying something because the two things have different prices? To strong-arm someone means to impel them by physical force, especially against resistance, not to give them so much money they'll be happy to cooperate. That's basically the exact opposite of strong-arming.
        qubitcoder 2y ago
        You are reading things too literally.
- atenni 2y ago
  I think OpenAI would be happy to cut a deal. Microsoft already self-host their GPT4 models for MS Copilot.
newshackr 2y ago
My guess is it is mainly marketing. Since chat gpt is a well known brand now
- sureIy 2y ago
  Even then, I think the last company/brand that Apple integrated in their software was Google, and that is long gone (I mean actual full apps/services dedicated to them, not just Mail.app integration)
sharma-arjun 2y ago
The licences for open-source models are generally designed to restrict this kind of usage by big tech. See the "Additional commercial terms" of the Llama 2 licence, for example: > If, on the Llama 2 version release date, the monthly active users of the products or services made available by or for Licensee, or Licensee’s affiliates, is greater than 700 million monthly active users in the preceding calendar month, you must request a license from Meta, which Meta may grant to you in its sole discretion, and you are not authorized to exercise any of the rights under this Agreement unless or until Meta otherwise expressly grants you such rights. There is probably a need for an alternative term to describe these kinds of models, because they're not exactly open-source in the traditional sense

by sureIy 2y ago

jsheard 2y ago

If anyone can strong-arm OpenAI into letting them self-host their models, it's Apple.

stavros 2y ago
How can apple strongarm OpenAI?
- jsheard 2y ago
  The same way they strong-arm TSMC into giving them exclusive first dibs on new process nodes - by having more money than God and making an offer they can't refuse.
  - stavros 2y ago
    You and I have very different definitions of the word "strong-arm". By that definition, I just strong-armed Apple into giving me an iPhone by giving them $1200.
    - sureIy 2y ago
      Not the same. If Apple pays OpenAI, it won’t give them 0.001% of their profits, but something like 20%. If your iPad is worth 20% of Apple’s profits, you bet Tim will be hand-holding you through the obnoxious setup process.
      - stavros 2y ago
        Me buying something is different from Apple buying something because the two things have different prices? To strong-arm someone means to impel them by physical force, especially against resistance, not to give them so much money they'll be happy to cooperate. That's basically the exact opposite of strong-arming.
        qubitcoder 2y ago
        You are reading things too literally.
atenni 2y ago
I think OpenAI would be happy to cut a deal. Microsoft already self-host their GPT4 models for MS Copilot.

newshackr 2y ago

My guess is it is mainly marketing. Since chat gpt is a well known brand now

sureIy 2y ago
Even then, I think the last company/brand that Apple integrated in their software was Google, and that is long gone (I mean actual full apps/services dedicated to them, not just Mail.app integration)

sharma-arjun 2y ago

The licences for open-source models are generally designed to restrict this kind of usage by big tech. See the "Additional commercial terms" of the Llama 2 licence, for example: > If, on the Llama 2 version release date, the monthly active users of the products or services made available by or for Licensee, or Licensee’s affiliates, is greater than 700 million monthly active users in the preceding calendar month, you must request a license from Meta, which Meta may grant to you in its sole discretion, and you are not authorized to exercise any of the rights under this Agreement unless or until Meta otherwise expressly grants you such rights. There is probably a need for an alternative term to describe these kinds of models, because they're not exactly open-source in the traditional sense