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>I have such negative associations with fedora May I ask why? My only gripes with Fedora are it's lack of out of the box proprietary codecs, non-FOSS SW and r

>I have such negative associations with fedora May I ask why? My only gripes with Fedora are it's lack of out of the box proprietary codecs, non-FOSS SW and repos, and lacking the creature comforts and user friendly tweaks that ship with the likes of Mint, but that' mostly because it's aimed at corporate workstations rather than home users. But other than that, it's probably one of the most solid Linux choices you can make right now give the abomination Ubuntu has become.

lttlrck 2y ago
My daily development machine has been on Fedora without interruption since FC16. At the beginning that was a Sony VAIO, only issues were due to the dual integrated graphics. Then a Dell XPS which was perfect, and for the last 8 years a desktop. It has been brilliant. I have been running it with swaywm for 2+ years now (which brings its own niggles) but I couldn't be happier. I really want to replicate this on my MBP, maybe in a VM or external SSD if that's even possible. Every other desktop environment feels like swimming in molasses. (The reason why I switched to FC16 was because our product was shipping on FC16 (a questionable decision - but it worked out fine) and I wanted to force myself to learn the in and outs, and face any and all problems - and what better way to do that :-)
freedomben 2y ago
I've been using Fedora now for 10 years (over a 15 year period due to some distro hopping and a love affair with Arch that lasted a few years and still kindles inside of me and pokes it head up every so often), and I often forget about the lack of proprietary codecs and stuff out of the box. Early on after installation I always add the RPM Fusion repos, which have much of the creature comforts. # Add RPM Fusion repos sudo dnf install -y \ "https://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/rpmfusion-free-release-$(rpm -E %fedora).noarch.rpm" \ "https://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/rpmfusion-nonfree-release-$(rpm -E %fedora).noarch.rpm" Then to install the codecs (I have this is a bash script that I run on new installs): # Install additional codecs # From: https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/Multimedia sudo dnf install -y ffmpeg sudo dnf groupupdate multimedia --setopt="install_weak_deps=False" --exclude=PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin sudo dnf groupupdate sound-and-video
VancouverMan 2y ago
In my case, I've repeatedly had bad experiences with Fedora itself, and bad experiences with a lot of other software coming out of that part of the Linux ecosystem. For example, I had one computer about a decade ago where the Fedora installation image wouldn't boot properly. It didn't matter if I burned it to disc or used a USB key, and I remember trying a number of different versions of Fedora over the years. It'd lock up very early on, without giving any useful diagnostic information. Meanwhile, I had no problems installing and using distros like Debian, Ubuntu, and Slackware with that same computer. Whatever the problem was, it seemed to be isolated to Fedora, while other distros worked fine. As software like GNOME since version 3, NetworkManager, PulseAudio, PipeWire, Wayland, and systemd started making its way into other distros like Debian and Ubuntu that I did frequently use, I almost immediately ran into a lot of problems that just didn't exist before. I find GNOME since version 3 to be very unintuitive, and very inefficient to use. If it's the default desktop for a distro, I have to strip it out and replace it with something else. Wayland has either not worked, or has been horrifically slow, or has had annoying glitching on the systems I've tried to use it on. X, meanwhile, works fine on the same systems. I've found software like NetworkManager, PulseAudio, PipeWire, and systemd to be unstable. Too often they will kind of work, but then they'll spontaneously break, often in ways that are a hassle to debug. These days, I try to use FreeBSD or OpenBSD instead of Linux. They tend to just work for me, unlike Fedora, and unlike the other non-Fedora distros that have started incorporating more software from the Fedora world.
- omnimus 2y ago
  Yeah on the other side of the spectrum - i have been using linux for two years as daily driver and Fedora is my favorite distro. Gnome 3 is probably only DE that cares about small details and looks great. Wayland unlike X11 has working fractional scaling and works best on Fedora. I couldnt live without pipewire and pulseaudio - audio was such a mess before. If will Linux ever have its Blender moment it will be thanks all the software you mentioned.

lttlrck 2y ago

My daily development machine has been on Fedora without interruption since FC16. At the beginning that was a Sony VAIO, only issues were due to the dual integrated graphics. Then a Dell XPS which was perfect, and for the last 8 years a desktop. It has been brilliant. I have been running it with swaywm for 2+ years now (which brings its own niggles) but I couldn't be happier. I really want to replicate this on my MBP, maybe in a VM or external SSD if that's even possible. Every other desktop environment feels like swimming in molasses. (The reason why I switched to FC16 was because our product was shipping on FC16 (a questionable decision - but it worked out fine) and I wanted to force myself to learn the in and outs, and face any and all problems - and what better way to do that :-)

freedomben 2y ago

I've been using Fedora now for 10 years (over a 15 year period due to some distro hopping and a love affair with Arch that lasted a few years and still kindles inside of me and pokes it head up every so often), and I often forget about the lack of proprietary codecs and stuff out of the box. Early on after installation I always add the RPM Fusion repos, which have much of the creature comforts. # Add RPM Fusion repos sudo dnf install -y \ "https://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/rpmfusion-free-release-$(rpm -E %fedora).noarch.rpm" \ "https://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/rpmfusion-nonfree-release-$(rpm -E %fedora).noarch.rpm" Then to install the codecs (I have this is a bash script that I run on new installs): # Install additional codecs # From: https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/Multimedia sudo dnf install -y ffmpeg sudo dnf groupupdate multimedia --setopt="install_weak_deps=False" --exclude=PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin sudo dnf groupupdate sound-and-video

VancouverMan 2y ago

In my case, I've repeatedly had bad experiences with Fedora itself, and bad experiences with a lot of other software coming out of that part of the Linux ecosystem. For example, I had one computer about a decade ago where the Fedora installation image wouldn't boot properly. It didn't matter if I burned it to disc or used a USB key, and I remember trying a number of different versions of Fedora over the years. It'd lock up very early on, without giving any useful diagnostic information. Meanwhile, I had no problems installing and using distros like Debian, Ubuntu, and Slackware with that same computer. Whatever the problem was, it seemed to be isolated to Fedora, while other distros worked fine. As software like GNOME since version 3, NetworkManager, PulseAudio, PipeWire, Wayland, and systemd started making its way into other distros like Debian and Ubuntu that I did frequently use, I almost immediately ran into a lot of problems that just didn't exist before. I find GNOME since version 3 to be very unintuitive, and very inefficient to use. If it's the default desktop for a distro, I have to strip it out and replace it with something else. Wayland has either not worked, or has been horrifically slow, or has had annoying glitching on the systems I've tried to use it on. X, meanwhile, works fine on the same systems. I've found software like NetworkManager, PulseAudio, PipeWire, and systemd to be unstable. Too often they will kind of work, but then they'll spontaneously break, often in ways that are a hassle to debug. These days, I try to use FreeBSD or OpenBSD instead of Linux. They tend to just work for me, unlike Fedora, and unlike the other non-Fedora distros that have started incorporating more software from the Fedora world.

omnimus 2y ago
Yeah on the other side of the spectrum - i have been using linux for two years as daily driver and Fedora is my favorite distro. Gnome 3 is probably only DE that cares about small details and looks great. Wayland unlike X11 has working fractional scaling and works best on Fedora. I couldnt live without pipewire and pulseaudio - audio was such a mess before. If will Linux ever have its Blender moment it will be thanks all the software you mentioned.