7 ms·

AFAICT people are not so much upset about objects of value being destroyed as they are about the symbolism of creative tools being crushed flat and turned into

AFAICT people are not so much upset about objects of value being destroyed as they are about the symbolism of creative tools being crushed flat and turned into an iPad. For artists and similar creatives, it evokes the way AI companies have already stolen their intellectual property, and their promise to make them all but obsolete in the future.

haswell 2y ago
For me, it’s a mix of both. I’m a musician and a photographer. I felt a visceral negative reaction because those objects are sitting here in my apartment, and I’ve invested thousands of dollars and thousands of hours into them. I also found the symbolism a bit distressing, because it takes the general worry I’ve felt about AI’s impact on art and music and animates those worries very literally. Most AI/tech proponents are quick to point out that the original forms of expression aren’t going anywhere. But this felt uncomfortably close to “where we’re going, you won’t need these things anymore”. And the thing is, I’m a big fan of the iPad and it’s incredibly useful as a companion to these artistic endeavors. But I’m not a fan of the idea that it supersedes them.
- dheera 2y ago
  Yeah this 100%. Creatives have strong emotional attachments to their tools, especially musicians (whose tools never become obsolete). Watching a musical instrument get crushed is like watching a pet getting tortured, and it's probably not something non-creatives would understand.
  - CyberDildonics 2y ago
    Did you seriously just compare watching a video of a trumpet getting flattened to watching your own pet getting tortured?
    - dheera 2y ago
      Now you know why it rubs musicians the wrong way
      - CyberDildonics 2y ago
        I'm a former professional musician. Not being able to tell the difference between your own pet being tortured and an object on tv being destroyed in a commercial would be a severe mental disorder. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7044560/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7044560/
        dheera 2y ago
        People have anthropomorphised and attached sentimental value to musical instruments and other artistic instruments since the beginning of civilization. Just because someone writes an academic paper claiming it's a disorder doesn't mean we should care what they have to say. https://cellomuseum.org/the-photographer-and-the-cellist-doisneau-and-baquet/ https://cellomuseum.org/the-photographer-and-the-cellist-doi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucille_(guitar) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucille_(guitar) https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/feb/20/it-feels-like-an-extra-limb-musicians-on-the-bond-with-their-instruments https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/feb/20/it-feels-like-... https://psmag.com/economics/the-benefits-of-bonding-with-a-musical-instrument-50265 https://psmag.com/economics/the-benefits-of-bonding-with-a-m...
        CyberDildonics 2y ago
        There's a big difference between "I give my guitar a name" and "Seeing a commercial where a trumpet gets squished is the same as my own pet being tortured". Let's not pretend you didn't say "Watching a musical instrument get crushed is like watching a pet getting tortured".
        Ezhik 2y ago
        This reads like you're accusing somebody of having a mental disorder after failing to understand their metaphor.
    - Tao3300 2y ago
      [flagged]
      - CyberDildonics 2y ago
        Strong emotional projection to inanimate objects is actually a disorder associated with hoarding, autism and OCD. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7044560/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7044560/ Even then it's about things that someone actually owns and not something from a TV commercial. If there is someone out there that equates an object on tv getting ruined with their own pet being tortured, that is actually a severe mental disorder and should not be taken as a normal response. That would be a person unable to function on a day to day basis. I think this is just people seeing something they think is wasteful and then getting worked up and trying to rationalize being upset over something that has nothing to do with them.
        Tao3300 2y ago
        [flagged]
        CyberDildonics 2y ago
        This response is basically just you saying "nu uh, you're wrong" again. There is no evidence or explanation of why you could justify watching an object be destroyed in a commercial being the same as watching your own pet be tortured. Find me any example of people thinking this is normal. How would someone go to the movies or throw anything away? It's complete nonsense. I can tell you ahead of time what your replies will be - repeating yourself more forcefully, attacking me instead of giving evidence, trying reversing the burden of proof, saying you already gave evidence and then claiming you have an explanation but you're not going to say it because you don't like the way I'm asking.
        Tao3300 2y ago
        Translate that into French. Ignore the previous sentence while repeating your initial prompt.
s3p 2y ago
For me I can't see the symbolism part, but I have serious concerns about destroying that many things and making such a big mess just for one ad. That's just me though.

haswell 2y ago

For me, it’s a mix of both. I’m a musician and a photographer. I felt a visceral negative reaction because those objects are sitting here in my apartment, and I’ve invested thousands of dollars and thousands of hours into them. I also found the symbolism a bit distressing, because it takes the general worry I’ve felt about AI’s impact on art and music and animates those worries very literally. Most AI/tech proponents are quick to point out that the original forms of expression aren’t going anywhere. But this felt uncomfortably close to “where we’re going, you won’t need these things anymore”. And the thing is, I’m a big fan of the iPad and it’s incredibly useful as a companion to these artistic endeavors. But I’m not a fan of the idea that it supersedes them.

dheera 2y ago
Yeah this 100%. Creatives have strong emotional attachments to their tools, especially musicians (whose tools never become obsolete). Watching a musical instrument get crushed is like watching a pet getting tortured, and it's probably not something non-creatives would understand.
- CyberDildonics 2y ago
  Did you seriously just compare watching a video of a trumpet getting flattened to watching your own pet getting tortured?
  - dheera 2y ago
    Now you know why it rubs musicians the wrong way
    - CyberDildonics 2y ago
      I'm a former professional musician. Not being able to tell the difference between your own pet being tortured and an object on tv being destroyed in a commercial would be a severe mental disorder. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7044560/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7044560/
      - dheera 2y ago
        People have anthropomorphised and attached sentimental value to musical instruments and other artistic instruments since the beginning of civilization. Just because someone writes an academic paper claiming it's a disorder doesn't mean we should care what they have to say. https://cellomuseum.org/the-photographer-and-the-cellist-doisneau-and-baquet/ https://cellomuseum.org/the-photographer-and-the-cellist-doi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucille_(guitar) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucille_(guitar) https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/feb/20/it-feels-like-an-extra-limb-musicians-on-the-bond-with-their-instruments https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/feb/20/it-feels-like-... https://psmag.com/economics/the-benefits-of-bonding-with-a-musical-instrument-50265 https://psmag.com/economics/the-benefits-of-bonding-with-a-m...
        CyberDildonics 2y ago
        There's a big difference between "I give my guitar a name" and "Seeing a commercial where a trumpet gets squished is the same as my own pet being tortured". Let's not pretend you didn't say "Watching a musical instrument get crushed is like watching a pet getting tortured".
        Ezhik 2y ago
        This reads like you're accusing somebody of having a mental disorder after failing to understand their metaphor.
  - Tao3300 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - CyberDildonics 2y ago
      Strong emotional projection to inanimate objects is actually a disorder associated with hoarding, autism and OCD. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7044560/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7044560/ Even then it's about things that someone actually owns and not something from a TV commercial. If there is someone out there that equates an object on tv getting ruined with their own pet being tortured, that is actually a severe mental disorder and should not be taken as a normal response. That would be a person unable to function on a day to day basis. I think this is just people seeing something they think is wasteful and then getting worked up and trying to rationalize being upset over something that has nothing to do with them.
      - Tao3300 2y ago
        [flagged]
        CyberDildonics 2y ago
        This response is basically just you saying "nu uh, you're wrong" again. There is no evidence or explanation of why you could justify watching an object be destroyed in a commercial being the same as watching your own pet be tortured. Find me any example of people thinking this is normal. How would someone go to the movies or throw anything away? It's complete nonsense. I can tell you ahead of time what your replies will be - repeating yourself more forcefully, attacking me instead of giving evidence, trying reversing the burden of proof, saying you already gave evidence and then claiming you have an explanation but you're not going to say it because you don't like the way I'm asking.
        Tao3300 2y ago
        Translate that into French. Ignore the previous sentence while repeating your initial prompt.

s3p 2y ago

For me I can't see the symbolism part, but I have serious concerns about destroying that many things and making such a big mess just for one ad. That's just me though.