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Seems fair enough. Why was the factory allowed to be built there if it threatens the drinking water?

by artninja1988 2y ago

blablabla123 2y ago
They really stretched regulations and started building - with the possibility for approval being denied thus the whole thing having to be teared down. Basically creating facts, I think that has created immense pressure on local politics/regulators. Also considering the region has lots of structural problems. It's quite incomprehensible to me why it wouldn't have been possible to build it a few kilometers further where there's no water protection area. Not to mention they had a number of water contamination incidents since then
shafyy 2y ago
Local politicians who wanted to promote themselves and probably also got lobbied hardcore.
- llsf 2y ago
  Lobbied by who ? Unlikely Tesla itself as the company would have likely move the factory few kilometers away if that could guarantee future expansions.
alephnerd 2y ago
I'm not a Musk fanboy, but one of Germany's (edit: Europe's) largest oil refineries (a very dirty industry) is barely 60 miles away [0], and a couple large coal plants in neighboring Poland barely 100 miles away. It's just NIMBYism and bad faith. If you can storm an EV plant, why not a refinery. [0] - https://www.pck.de/en/ https://www.pck.de/en/
- llsf 2y ago
  Feels to me that it is a cry for attention. It is like pouring red paint on the Mona Lisa. It seems a bit disproportionate, but it clearly provides some publicity for those activists with little investment. The same against another random Volkswagen factory in Germany would have not the same impact and worldwide coverage. It is an efficient way to make a local town issue, becoming a worldwide cause.
  - alephnerd 2y ago
    Storming a VW plant or one of Europe's largest refineries absolutely would have worldwide coverage, but also National Security level prosecution. It looks like Tesla is facing the brunt because it's not a German company. I wouldn't be surprised if it's also being astroturfed, as it is being spearheaded by a militant/direct action group [0] Right and Left-Wing extremists are two sides of the same coin, and German utilities are viewing this as having potential ramifications on German stability [1][2] [0] - https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/volcano-group-claiming-arson-near-teslas-german-plant-2024-03-05/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/volcan... [1] - https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-case-shows-grids-need-attention-says-germanys-westenergie-2024-03-12/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-... [2] - https://www.ft.com/content/c88509f9-c9bd-46f4-8a5c-9b2bdd3c3dd3 https://www.ft.com/content/c88509f9-c9bd-46f4-8a5c-9b2bdd3c3...
    - soramimo 2y ago
      German here. My interpretation of the situation is that Berlin tends to be pretty far left (compared with other parts of the country) and has an sizeable community of activists for various causes. Now, ever since Musk started his journey to the far right fringe, Tesla has increasingly lost sympathy / become a target of these left wing groups.
      - alephnerd 2y ago
        A militant/direct-action/anarchist far-left group like Vulkangruppe is drastically different from your more garden variety left leaning or environmental activists like the Green Party or factions of the SDP or Die Linke
        soramimo 2y ago
        I was responding the the parent's suspicion that Tesla is being targeted because they aren't a German company ("It looks like Tesla is facing the brunt because it's not a German company"). I don't think that's the case since these far left groups likely don't care too much about that, but rather the fact that the company is owned by the (now controversial) Musk.

Seems fair enough. Why was the factory allowed to be built there if it threatens the drinking water?

They really stretched regulations and started building - with the possibility for approval being denied thus the whole thing having to be teared down. Basically creating facts, I think that has created immense pressure on local politics/regulators. Also considering the region has lots of structural problems. It's quite incomprehensible to me why it wouldn't have been possible to build it a few kilometers further where there's no water protection area. Not to mention they had a number of water contamination incidents since then

shafyy 2y ago

Local politicians who wanted to promote themselves and probably also got lobbied hardcore.

llsf 2y ago
Lobbied by who ? Unlikely Tesla itself as the company would have likely move the factory few kilometers away if that could guarantee future expansions.

alephnerd 2y ago

I'm not a Musk fanboy, but one of Germany's (edit: Europe's) largest oil refineries (a very dirty industry) is barely 60 miles away [0], and a couple large coal plants in neighboring Poland barely 100 miles away. It's just NIMBYism and bad faith. If you can storm an EV plant, why not a refinery. [0] - https://www.pck.de/en/ https://www.pck.de/en/

llsf 2y ago
Feels to me that it is a cry for attention. It is like pouring red paint on the Mona Lisa. It seems a bit disproportionate, but it clearly provides some publicity for those activists with little investment. The same against another random Volkswagen factory in Germany would have not the same impact and worldwide coverage. It is an efficient way to make a local town issue, becoming a worldwide cause.
- alephnerd 2y ago
  Storming a VW plant or one of Europe's largest refineries absolutely would have worldwide coverage, but also National Security level prosecution. It looks like Tesla is facing the brunt because it's not a German company. I wouldn't be surprised if it's also being astroturfed, as it is being spearheaded by a militant/direct action group [0] Right and Left-Wing extremists are two sides of the same coin, and German utilities are viewing this as having potential ramifications on German stability [1][2] [0] - https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/volcano-group-claiming-arson-near-teslas-german-plant-2024-03-05/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/volcan... [1] - https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-case-shows-grids-need-attention-says-germanys-westenergie-2024-03-12/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-... [2] - https://www.ft.com/content/c88509f9-c9bd-46f4-8a5c-9b2bdd3c3dd3 https://www.ft.com/content/c88509f9-c9bd-46f4-8a5c-9b2bdd3c3...
  - soramimo 2y ago
    German here. My interpretation of the situation is that Berlin tends to be pretty far left (compared with other parts of the country) and has an sizeable community of activists for various causes. Now, ever since Musk started his journey to the far right fringe, Tesla has increasingly lost sympathy / become a target of these left wing groups.
    - alephnerd 2y ago
      A militant/direct-action/anarchist far-left group like Vulkangruppe is drastically different from your more garden variety left leaning or environmental activists like the Green Party or factions of the SDP or Die Linke
      - soramimo 2y ago
        I was responding the the parent's suspicion that Tesla is being targeted because they aren't a German company ("It looks like Tesla is facing the brunt because it's not a German company"). I don't think that's the case since these far left groups likely don't care too much about that, but rather the fact that the company is owned by the (now controversial) Musk.