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This industry seriously needs higher engineering standards for any software in areas like medicine. Just because you're making a medical smartphone app doesn't

This industry seriously needs higher engineering standards for any software in areas like medicine. Just because you're making a medical smartphone app doesn't mean the same low standards as other smartphone apps apply to you now. I'm guessing the pump was already coded defensively to guard against whatever some shoddily coded app may try to do, but trying to anticipate every way in which the typical app developer is negligent is not easy. Constant reconnects draining your own battery is one tricky defect to deal with.

bluefirebrand 2y ago
That would cut into founders and investors profit potential though so lobbyists will fight tooth and nail to make sure it doesn't happen
bena 2y ago
Medical software often sits at a sad intersection. The incentives aren't really there. It's not glamorous, the pay is going to be at best equal to other fields, and you have to deal with medical doctors, who assume that a terminal professional degree conferring upon them a title they appropriated from academia means they are experts in all fields. Throw in a bunch of regulatory bodies and standards to follow and manage and you have the perfect storm of ghettoization. So if you're able to, you're going to go get another job. Because unless you're in the executive suite, the money isn't really worth the headache. Which leaves those who can't get another job. Which produces a Dead Sea effect. From the other side, you may have people who really want to be in medical technology, but don't have the technical chops to do so. Which is its own problem. So you have those who could do the task, but aren't interested in doing it. Then you have those who are interested in doing the task, but can't do it.
- readingnews 2y ago
  >> and you have to deal with medical doctors, who assume that a terminal professional degree conferring upon them a title they appropriated from academia means they are experts in all fields. Dang, I do not like Doctors as much as the next person (ok, Medical doctors, I am a doctor of engineering, I suppose, according to some piece of paper)... but you are just _jaded_. I have met Doctors who understand full well that they do not know it all. Sure I have met conceited, full of themselves doctors who think they play god too. For the most part, people are people, and IMHO, on average, someone who went to get a terminal degree and did so with good teachers was taught good and well that they surely did not and do not know it all. I sure as hell know that I know nothing about life, the universe and everything, even though I have three letters after my name. I agree with this statement, however: >> Medical software often sits at a sad intersection. Not sure what a good solution is.
  - bena 2y ago
    I started out in medical software and have worked with a lot of doctors. Humility is not a trait they cultivate in any great quantity. And I've worked with various industries over the course of my career. Doctors, especially surgeons, on average, are a special breed of arrogant. Outside of working with them, they're fine. Just be prepared to fight for every decision, have to do it their way, have it fail, then have to do the thing you should have done in the first place, then convince them it was their decision in the first place. As to the solution, I don't know it either. I think there needs to be that first person who can come in with that unique combination of desire, skill, and determination to do something. And that person will either be the person who figures out the solution or at least puts us on the path to finding one.
hi-v-rocknroll 2y ago
Also regulatory capture, self-certification and "cleared" devices equal failure. "FDA approved" should require an external verification process for every update. It should also imply waterflow-like software development processes and safety engineering. At the division between consumer and medical, no smartphone nor any malicious radio shall be able to induce denial-of-service or any sort of dangerous failure in any medical device in ordinary circumstances.

bluefirebrand 2y ago

That would cut into founders and investors profit potential though so lobbyists will fight tooth and nail to make sure it doesn't happen

bena 2y ago

Medical software often sits at a sad intersection. The incentives aren't really there. It's not glamorous, the pay is going to be at best equal to other fields, and you have to deal with medical doctors, who assume that a terminal professional degree conferring upon them a title they appropriated from academia means they are experts in all fields. Throw in a bunch of regulatory bodies and standards to follow and manage and you have the perfect storm of ghettoization. So if you're able to, you're going to go get another job. Because unless you're in the executive suite, the money isn't really worth the headache. Which leaves those who can't get another job. Which produces a Dead Sea effect. From the other side, you may have people who really want to be in medical technology, but don't have the technical chops to do so. Which is its own problem. So you have those who could do the task, but aren't interested in doing it. Then you have those who are interested in doing the task, but can't do it.

readingnews 2y ago
>> and you have to deal with medical doctors, who assume that a terminal professional degree conferring upon them a title they appropriated from academia means they are experts in all fields. Dang, I do not like Doctors as much as the next person (ok, Medical doctors, I am a doctor of engineering, I suppose, according to some piece of paper)... but you are just _jaded_. I have met Doctors who understand full well that they do not know it all. Sure I have met conceited, full of themselves doctors who think they play god too. For the most part, people are people, and IMHO, on average, someone who went to get a terminal degree and did so with good teachers was taught good and well that they surely did not and do not know it all. I sure as hell know that I know nothing about life, the universe and everything, even though I have three letters after my name. I agree with this statement, however: >> Medical software often sits at a sad intersection. Not sure what a good solution is.
- bena 2y ago
  I started out in medical software and have worked with a lot of doctors. Humility is not a trait they cultivate in any great quantity. And I've worked with various industries over the course of my career. Doctors, especially surgeons, on average, are a special breed of arrogant. Outside of working with them, they're fine. Just be prepared to fight for every decision, have to do it their way, have it fail, then have to do the thing you should have done in the first place, then convince them it was their decision in the first place. As to the solution, I don't know it either. I think there needs to be that first person who can come in with that unique combination of desire, skill, and determination to do something. And that person will either be the person who figures out the solution or at least puts us on the path to finding one.

hi-v-rocknroll 2y ago

Also regulatory capture, self-certification and "cleared" devices equal failure. "FDA approved" should require an external verification process for every update. It should also imply waterflow-like software development processes and safety engineering. At the division between consumer and medical, no smartphone nor any malicious radio shall be able to induce denial-of-service or any sort of dangerous failure in any medical device in ordinary circumstances.