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The arcade one particularly distressing given that arcades and their unique arcade hardware are rapidly vanishing across the world without replacement.

mulmen 2y ago
Contemporary arcade cabinets featured similar hardware to the original Macs.
- jowsie 2y ago
  Nearly all modern arcade cabinets just have regular PCs in them.
  - mulmen 2y ago
    Right. That has essentially always been the case.
Sohcahtoa82 2y ago
And the arcades that DO exist are often 90% shitty ticket games that cost $1, have about 15 seconds of gameplay, and then maybe after blowing through $50 you'll have enough tickets to buy $2 worth of Tootsie Rolls and maybe a balsa wood glider. If you got really lucky, maybe a plushie. Though there are some "barcades" popping up these days that focus on classic arcade games to appeal to older the older crowd.
- redwall_hp 2y ago
  I happened across a nice one when I was in Denver, recently. It's called Akihabara. Tons of imported Japanese cabinets (including Taiko no Tatsujin and Typing of the Dead), and a bar with imported beers, sake and house cocktails. I wish I'd had a smartcard for saving progress, but it was only something I found out about during the trip. I'm definitely more into the 90s and early 2000s era of arcade games than 80s stuff (and the seat-friendly JP cabinets are nice) so I enjoyed the opportunity to play games that are hard to find here, and bring back memories of wandering (relatively lackluster) bowling alley arcades with a pocket of quarters.
  - touisteur 2y ago
    Typing of the dead! Ask me how I learned touch typing in anger. Such a beautiful piece of hijacked game. Much, much love to anyone who worked on this gem, or work to preserve it.
  - asix66 2y ago
    If ever out in the Denver area again, check out The 1UP Arcade[0]. They have all manner of games, including '80s cabs. Very fun. [0] https://the1uparcadebar.com/ https://the1uparcadebar.com/
  - Sohcahtoa82 2y ago
    There's a chain of arcades called Round1 that also specializes in Japanese games, mostly music games. They're all over the USA, including Denver.
rchaud 2y ago
Why would you need that when for the low price of 25 quarters a month, you could have Apple Arcade(TM)? /s
bnralt 2y ago
The console says “Space Imploder,” which isn’t a real arcade console, from what I can tell. There’s more discussion here[1], but it seems likely that a lot of the things weren’t real (or if they were real, they weren’t were junk that was broken beyond repair). This seems to be a major point that’s missing from the discussion. If a lot of this is stuff that was fake or already headed for the dump, it completely undermines the argument that perfectly good equipment was destroyed. [1] https://vi-control.net/community/threads/apple-destroys-vintage-instruments-in-tone-deaf-new-commercial-for-ipad-pro.151774/ https://vi-control.net/community/threads/apple-destroys-vint...
- groby_b 2y ago
  The point isn't how it was produced, but what the message is. And the message is destruction of creative instruments is good, akshually, because shiny & thin. No amount of "but we only rendered it" is going to fix it. It speaks about values the company holds.
  - codelobe 2y ago
    [x] Strongly Agree. Also, the focus on how these devices are increasingly consumer only instead of me being able to use my device to create Disclaimer: one of my goals is to build apps for my machine on the machine itself. I had this working on the now defunct Firefox phone OS (Its apps were deployed as Zipped HTML/JS and related resources -- I cobbled together a dev environ out of a few browser based tools). TL;DR: I'm a tool-using creator-type species, The modern "CONSUME ONLY" device craze makes my eye twitch; Ads that reinforce destruction of tools make me want to join fight club.
    - smallmancontrov 2y ago
      Art creation is creation. Muic, images, video -- they all benefit from good screens, fast processors, quality stylus integration, first party apps, and full-stack attention to latency. The iPad is about creation, just not your type of creation.
    - doctorwho42 2y ago
Brian_K_White 2y ago
Not to mention a bit rich considering their stance on emulators and game stores.
- immibis 2y ago
  If tech companies didn't have double standards, they'd have none.
- uwagar 2y ago
  and 32-bit apps that stopped running since catalina.
firebat45 2y ago
I understand that there is an entire culture surrounding these machines and that people enjoy collecting and restoring them. Hell, I would even like to build a cabinet myself one day. But there's a reason they are disappearing. They're old and obsolete. While they may have value to a niche group, they are overall viewed as mostly worthless. Secondly, there's a very simple solution to disliking what someone else does with their own property. Purchase it before they do whatever you dislike. Either from them or by beating them to the punch and buying it from the previous owner before they do.
- bogantech 2y ago
  > They're old and obsolete. While they may have value to a niche group, they are overall viewed as mostly worthless. Old and obsolete doesn't mean worthless, if people are collecting them and spending a lot of money on them then they're not worthless.
  - derefr 2y ago
    Most of the reason that collectors have to spend a lot of money on arcade cabinets, though, is not that they have high market resale value; but rather that the machines they can manage to acquire are usually in terrible condition, requiring large amounts of conservation work to get working and presentable again. And they’re so broken down, because everyone but these few collectors have valued — and continue to value — these machines so little that they’ve allowed them to rot in warehouses for decades. Many arcade cabinets are recovered from e-waste recycling centers, or even landfill. If they truly had market value, then people other than the collectors themselves would be making a business out of finding and restoring these cabinets, in order to sell them to the collectors. But no such business exists — because there just isn’t the demand to sustain it. I’m reminded of a recent YouTube video about MadCatz gaming peripherals. The video’s author had to spend thousands of dollars buying the few remaining controllers on the used market to use as examples. Why so much? Not because of high demand. Because of limited supply — they were so valueless (mainly due to just being awful products even when new) that every owner of one had long thrown in away; no gaming store wanted to buy any used (being seen selling such brands was a mark against the quality of a store!); and even thrift stores had long dumped them for lack of interest. These gamepads and flight-sticks had value to this one guy making this one video — but literally nobody else. A one-time purchase, does not a market-clearing price make. The market is still just as illiquid after such a purchase as before it.
pc86 2y ago
Nobody went out and bought a vintage arcade game with "unique arcade hardware." It's almost certainly plywood and an old monitor.
- Tool_of_Society 2y ago
  People didn't even notice that it was "space imploders" lol. They were too busy being outraged.
Tool_of_Society 2y ago
It was a mini arcade box which are sold by a variety of companies with any number of real arcade games using modern hardware in them for under $300. I can't find any existence for the game "Space Imploders" though.

mulmen 2y ago

Contemporary arcade cabinets featured similar hardware to the original Macs.

jowsie 2y ago
Nearly all modern arcade cabinets just have regular PCs in them.
- mulmen 2y ago
  Right. That has essentially always been the case.

Sohcahtoa82 2y ago

And the arcades that DO exist are often 90% shitty ticket games that cost $1, have about 15 seconds of gameplay, and then maybe after blowing through $50 you'll have enough tickets to buy $2 worth of Tootsie Rolls and maybe a balsa wood glider. If you got really lucky, maybe a plushie. Though there are some "barcades" popping up these days that focus on classic arcade games to appeal to older the older crowd.

redwall_hp 2y ago
I happened across a nice one when I was in Denver, recently. It's called Akihabara. Tons of imported Japanese cabinets (including Taiko no Tatsujin and Typing of the Dead), and a bar with imported beers, sake and house cocktails. I wish I'd had a smartcard for saving progress, but it was only something I found out about during the trip. I'm definitely more into the 90s and early 2000s era of arcade games than 80s stuff (and the seat-friendly JP cabinets are nice) so I enjoyed the opportunity to play games that are hard to find here, and bring back memories of wandering (relatively lackluster) bowling alley arcades with a pocket of quarters.
- touisteur 2y ago
  Typing of the dead! Ask me how I learned touch typing in anger. Such a beautiful piece of hijacked game. Much, much love to anyone who worked on this gem, or work to preserve it.
- asix66 2y ago
  If ever out in the Denver area again, check out The 1UP Arcade[0]. They have all manner of games, including '80s cabs. Very fun. [0] https://the1uparcadebar.com/ https://the1uparcadebar.com/
- Sohcahtoa82 2y ago
  There's a chain of arcades called Round1 that also specializes in Japanese games, mostly music games. They're all over the USA, including Denver.

rchaud 2y ago

Why would you need that when for the low price of 25 quarters a month, you could have Apple Arcade(TM)? /s

bnralt 2y ago

The console says “Space Imploder,” which isn’t a real arcade console, from what I can tell. There’s more discussion here[1], but it seems likely that a lot of the things weren’t real (or if they were real, they weren’t were junk that was broken beyond repair). This seems to be a major point that’s missing from the discussion. If a lot of this is stuff that was fake or already headed for the dump, it completely undermines the argument that perfectly good equipment was destroyed. [1] https://vi-control.net/community/threads/apple-destroys-vintage-instruments-in-tone-deaf-new-commercial-for-ipad-pro.151774/ https://vi-control.net/community/threads/apple-destroys-vint...

groby_b 2y ago
The point isn't how it was produced, but what the message is. And the message is destruction of creative instruments is good, akshually, because shiny & thin. No amount of "but we only rendered it" is going to fix it. It speaks about values the company holds.
- codelobe 2y ago
  [x] Strongly Agree. Also, the focus on how these devices are increasingly consumer only instead of me being able to use my device to create Disclaimer: one of my goals is to build apps for my machine on the machine itself. I had this working on the now defunct Firefox phone OS (Its apps were deployed as Zipped HTML/JS and related resources -- I cobbled together a dev environ out of a few browser based tools). TL;DR: I'm a tool-using creator-type species, The modern "CONSUME ONLY" device craze makes my eye twitch; Ads that reinforce destruction of tools make me want to join fight club.
  - smallmancontrov 2y ago
    Art creation is creation. Muic, images, video -- they all benefit from good screens, fast processors, quality stylus integration, first party apps, and full-stack attention to latency. The iPad is about creation, just not your type of creation.
  - doctorwho42 2y ago

Brian_K_White 2y ago

Not to mention a bit rich considering their stance on emulators and game stores.

immibis 2y ago
If tech companies didn't have double standards, they'd have none.
uwagar 2y ago
and 32-bit apps that stopped running since catalina.

firebat45 2y ago

I understand that there is an entire culture surrounding these machines and that people enjoy collecting and restoring them. Hell, I would even like to build a cabinet myself one day. But there's a reason they are disappearing. They're old and obsolete. While they may have value to a niche group, they are overall viewed as mostly worthless. Secondly, there's a very simple solution to disliking what someone else does with their own property. Purchase it before they do whatever you dislike. Either from them or by beating them to the punch and buying it from the previous owner before they do.

bogantech 2y ago
> They're old and obsolete. While they may have value to a niche group, they are overall viewed as mostly worthless. Old and obsolete doesn't mean worthless, if people are collecting them and spending a lot of money on them then they're not worthless.
- derefr 2y ago
  Most of the reason that collectors have to spend a lot of money on arcade cabinets, though, is not that they have high market resale value; but rather that the machines they can manage to acquire are usually in terrible condition, requiring large amounts of conservation work to get working and presentable again. And they’re so broken down, because everyone but these few collectors have valued — and continue to value — these machines so little that they’ve allowed them to rot in warehouses for decades. Many arcade cabinets are recovered from e-waste recycling centers, or even landfill. If they truly had market value, then people other than the collectors themselves would be making a business out of finding and restoring these cabinets, in order to sell them to the collectors. But no such business exists — because there just isn’t the demand to sustain it. I’m reminded of a recent YouTube video about MadCatz gaming peripherals. The video’s author had to spend thousands of dollars buying the few remaining controllers on the used market to use as examples. Why so much? Not because of high demand. Because of limited supply — they were so valueless (mainly due to just being awful products even when new) that every owner of one had long thrown in away; no gaming store wanted to buy any used (being seen selling such brands was a mark against the quality of a store!); and even thrift stores had long dumped them for lack of interest. These gamepads and flight-sticks had value to this one guy making this one video — but literally nobody else. A one-time purchase, does not a market-clearing price make. The market is still just as illiquid after such a purchase as before it.

pc86 2y ago

Nobody went out and bought a vintage arcade game with "unique arcade hardware." It's almost certainly plywood and an old monitor.

Tool_of_Society 2y ago
People didn't even notice that it was "space imploders" lol. They were too busy being outraged.

Tool_of_Society 2y ago

It was a mini arcade box which are sold by a variety of companies with any number of real arcade games using modern hardware in them for under $300. I can't find any existence for the game "Space Imploders" though.