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Says the guy when his messenger is not e2ee by default(meaning the same as plain text), groups not encrypted e2e at all and uses some shady encryption mechanism

WhereIsTheTruth 2y ago
that's why it is the prefered one, naked is privacy, but for you to understand, you need to not work for any of these agencies ;) there is a reason why the source of most content from the NATO/RUS war comes from telegram because being naked works better than "being anonymous and encrypted", protonmail users wants to interview you: "Encrypted services Apple, Proton and Wire helped Spanish police identify activist" - https://techcrunch.com/2024/05/08/encrypted-services-apple-proton-and-wire-helped-spanish-police-identify-activist/ https://techcrunch.com/2024/05/08/encrypted-services-apple-p...
adboofer 2y ago
because telegram has group chats and channels, which are also accessible cross platform, it doesn't make sense to turn on e2e by default. secret chat feature is encrypted and thus only available on the device you start it from.
- jacooper 2y ago
  What does being multi platform have to do with E2E? Matrix does the same thing yet supports E2E, whatsapp allows multi platform access while also having full E2E support.
  - adboofer 2y ago
    In whatsapp, there is a primary source (your phone) and you can "link" other devices with the primary source. This is different from how telegram handles it. In telegram you can use sms login to use the client from multiple clients, within the same smartphone, or different devices. With whatsapp, you can only have one sms login device, which would be primary device. If you use sms login with another device, you wont be able to use the previous device. To overcome this, it has a feature which can allow you to link your primary client with other clients but it is janky and does not have all the features. For matrix on the other hand, the encryption keys are tied to the account.
- throw20240511 2y ago
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SahAssar 2y ago
While I agree in sentiment please don't equivocate plain text with non-e2e but encrypted. They are very different.
- Moldoteck 2y ago
  If it's not e2ee, they can decrypt any data at will, so plain text
  - SahAssar 2y ago
    Plain text means any intermediary can read the data. Encrypted (without e2ee) means only you, the service provider and the recipient can read the data. e2ee means only you and the recipient can read it. Do we agree on that? If so you must agree that "any intermediary" like a ISP, network provider or similar being able to read or modify the data is strictly worse than just "you, the service provider and the recipient", right?

WhereIsTheTruth 2y ago

that's why it is the prefered one, naked is privacy, but for you to understand, you need to not work for any of these agencies ;) there is a reason why the source of most content from the NATO/RUS war comes from telegram because being naked works better than "being anonymous and encrypted", protonmail users wants to interview you: "Encrypted services Apple, Proton and Wire helped Spanish police identify activist" - https://techcrunch.com/2024/05/08/encrypted-services-apple-proton-and-wire-helped-spanish-police-identify-activist/ https://techcrunch.com/2024/05/08/encrypted-services-apple-p...

adboofer 2y ago

because telegram has group chats and channels, which are also accessible cross platform, it doesn't make sense to turn on e2e by default. secret chat feature is encrypted and thus only available on the device you start it from.

jacooper 2y ago
What does being multi platform have to do with E2E? Matrix does the same thing yet supports E2E, whatsapp allows multi platform access while also having full E2E support.
- adboofer 2y ago
  In whatsapp, there is a primary source (your phone) and you can "link" other devices with the primary source. This is different from how telegram handles it. In telegram you can use sms login to use the client from multiple clients, within the same smartphone, or different devices. With whatsapp, you can only have one sms login device, which would be primary device. If you use sms login with another device, you wont be able to use the previous device. To overcome this, it has a feature which can allow you to link your primary client with other clients but it is janky and does not have all the features. For matrix on the other hand, the encryption keys are tied to the account.
throw20240511 2y ago
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SahAssar 2y ago

While I agree in sentiment please don't equivocate plain text with non-e2e but encrypted. They are very different.

Moldoteck 2y ago
If it's not e2ee, they can decrypt any data at will, so plain text
- SahAssar 2y ago
  Plain text means any intermediary can read the data. Encrypted (without e2ee) means only you, the service provider and the recipient can read the data. e2ee means only you and the recipient can read it. Do we agree on that? If so you must agree that "any intermediary" like a ISP, network provider or similar being able to read or modify the data is strictly worse than just "you, the service provider and the recipient", right?