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Whenever Korean factories opened in Poland, that was the same conclusion. Workers were treated like shit.

hollywood_court 2y ago
These types of companies are fleeing to the Southern US because the conservative governments here offer no protections for the employees.
- macbook_amateur 2y ago
  I remember a Korean car factory in Alabama got caught using child labor a couple years back: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-immigration-hyundai/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-immi...
  - hollywood_court 2y ago
    My line supplied that plant. It's about 45 minutes down the road from where I worked. And the Alabama legislature is now making it easier for companies to hire child laborers. We're going to start seeing a lot more injuries in manufacturing and food processing. We are regressing.
alephnerd 2y ago
Sadly, it's a common issue with recently developed country work culture. For example, TSMC is facing similar hurdles trying to expand semicon manufacturing in the US [0]. Even though SK, JP, TW, and Israel are all developed countries now, the developing country mentality still persists because their transition was relatively recent (a generation or less ago), and a lot of labor management and regulations is stuck in the old school era. At least in the EU, the recently developed (eg. Czechia) and developing countries (eg. Bulgaria) still have some labor frameworks to kinda follow and some kind of recourse - at least for white collar work. [0] - https://www.eetimes.com/tsmcs-arizona-culture-clash/ https://www.eetimes.com/tsmcs-arizona-culture-clash/
- meindnoch 2y ago
  Czechia is recently developed? :DDDD
  - alephnerd 2y ago
    If Spain is a developed country with a median wage around $1600/mo and an HDI of 0.905, then Czechia with a median wage of $1400/mo and an HDI of 0.895 is one.
    - The_Colonel 2y ago
      Could be they have problem with the word "recently". Czech lands were pretty developed (relatively speaking) for many centuries, e. g. T the first German speaking university was established in Prague. Then the communist era spoiled it, World Bank recognized Czechia as "developed" 9nly in 2006.
      - alephnerd 2y ago
        The World Bank classification is for High-Income, not developed. Even Russia, Mexico, and Turkey all caught up to that definition at various points in time before regressing. Even China's GDP per Capita is closeish to that level yet median household incomes and HDI are still lower than Thailand and Serbia. Czechia didn't catch up to Western Europe HDIs until the mid-2010s, and Median wages were significantly lower than much of Western Europe until recently (eg. The datapoint above), and GDP per Capita is still significantly behind much of Western Europe and the Asian Tigers. Even South Korea didn't officially become developed until the mid-2010s, and they outpaced Czechia in HDI and GDP per Capita by the early 2000s. Alternatively, if Czechia was a developed country in the mid-2000s, then Turkey and Hungary are now developed countries in the early 2020s as they have hit similar indicators as Czechia in the 2000s. > Czech lands were pretty developed Developed versus developing is a technical-ish term. Czechia was absolutely a developing country until recently. Just having a medieval university or some industrial capacity in the early 20th isn't saying much, as Korea and Taiwan were in a similar boat as well under the otherwise brutal Japanese colonial rule. And even today, water treatment in Czechia lags significantly behind much of the Western EU member states. Saying otherwise is just Eurocentricism. And it also ignores that fact that for most of it's history, it was CzechoSLOVAKIA and Slovakia is still lagging behind on developmental indicators to this day, despite having a similar linguistic and ethnic proximity to Czechs as Serbs are to Croats.

These types of companies are fleeing to the Southern US because the conservative governments here offer no protections for the employees.

macbook_amateur 2y ago
I remember a Korean car factory in Alabama got caught using child labor a couple years back: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-immigration-hyundai/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-immi...
- hollywood_court 2y ago
  My line supplied that plant. It's about 45 minutes down the road from where I worked. And the Alabama legislature is now making it easier for companies to hire child laborers. We're going to start seeing a lot more injuries in manufacturing and food processing. We are regressing.

alephnerd 2y ago

Sadly, it's a common issue with recently developed country work culture. For example, TSMC is facing similar hurdles trying to expand semicon manufacturing in the US [0]. Even though SK, JP, TW, and Israel are all developed countries now, the developing country mentality still persists because their transition was relatively recent (a generation or less ago), and a lot of labor management and regulations is stuck in the old school era. At least in the EU, the recently developed (eg. Czechia) and developing countries (eg. Bulgaria) still have some labor frameworks to kinda follow and some kind of recourse - at least for white collar work. [0] - https://www.eetimes.com/tsmcs-arizona-culture-clash/ https://www.eetimes.com/tsmcs-arizona-culture-clash/

meindnoch 2y ago
Czechia is recently developed? :DDDD
- alephnerd 2y ago
  If Spain is a developed country with a median wage around $1600/mo and an HDI of 0.905, then Czechia with a median wage of $1400/mo and an HDI of 0.895 is one.
  - The_Colonel 2y ago
    Could be they have problem with the word "recently". Czech lands were pretty developed (relatively speaking) for many centuries, e. g. T the first German speaking university was established in Prague. Then the communist era spoiled it, World Bank recognized Czechia as "developed" 9nly in 2006.
    - alephnerd 2y ago
      The World Bank classification is for High-Income, not developed. Even Russia, Mexico, and Turkey all caught up to that definition at various points in time before regressing. Even China's GDP per Capita is closeish to that level yet median household incomes and HDI are still lower than Thailand and Serbia. Czechia didn't catch up to Western Europe HDIs until the mid-2010s, and Median wages were significantly lower than much of Western Europe until recently (eg. The datapoint above), and GDP per Capita is still significantly behind much of Western Europe and the Asian Tigers. Even South Korea didn't officially become developed until the mid-2010s, and they outpaced Czechia in HDI and GDP per Capita by the early 2000s. Alternatively, if Czechia was a developed country in the mid-2000s, then Turkey and Hungary are now developed countries in the early 2020s as they have hit similar indicators as Czechia in the 2000s. > Czech lands were pretty developed Developed versus developing is a technical-ish term. Czechia was absolutely a developing country until recently. Just having a medieval university or some industrial capacity in the early 20th isn't saying much, as Korea and Taiwan were in a similar boat as well under the otherwise brutal Japanese colonial rule. And even today, water treatment in Czechia lags significantly behind much of the Western EU member states. Saying otherwise is just Eurocentricism. And it also ignores that fact that for most of it's history, it was CzechoSLOVAKIA and Slovakia is still lagging behind on developmental indicators to this day, despite having a similar linguistic and ethnic proximity to Czechs as Serbs are to Croats.