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Another extremely useful feature that won’t work for our Safari users with any older than 1 year old iPhones and means for the next five years we have to suppor

Another extremely useful feature that won’t work for our Safari users with any older than 1 year old iPhones and means for the next five years we have to support both this API and a full-blown polyfill or alternative implementation.

afavour 2y ago
Two year old iPhones are absolutely able to upgrade to iOS 17 and receive this feature, all the way back to iPhone 8. That said, I do wish Apple had their browser set up like Google does with a complete upgrade possible via the App Store. It feels unnecessary to completely tie it to the OS version.
- pmontra 2y ago
  I don't know how iOS works but if it was an app would other browsers be able to use Safari's rendering engine? There is also the lower functionality JS engine that Apple forces those browsers to use (if I'm not mistaken.)
  - afavour 2y ago
    The way it works on Android is that the system web view is an "app" (though not one you can launch) that updates via the Play Store. Any app using webviews automatically gets the upgraded experience whenever that app gets upgraded.
    - jimbobthrowawy 2y ago
      > though not one you can launch Try the app "Activity launcher" on your phone some time. Lets you open any Activity (android class that apps are composed of) on your device.
- monsieurbanana 2y ago
  Is it recommended to update iOS with old phones? Not recommended by Apple, actually recommended as in it won't slow your phone to a crawl.
JimDabell 2y ago
All iPhones going all the way back to 2018 can upgrade to iOS 17 right now. 66% of all active iPhones are already on iOS 17, 23% are on iOS 16, and only 11% use anything older. People upgrade iOS fairly quickly and it’s uncommon to support anything more than the two most recent major versions. So it’s more like one year, not five. https://developer.apple.com/support/app-store/ https://developer.apple.com/support/app-store/
robertoandred 2y ago
Ignorance, or just anti-Apple lies? This is pure misinformation and hurts web development.
- globalise83 2y ago
  Practical experience having to build workarounds to support Safari users whose browser versions don't support modern web APIs.

afavour 2y ago

Two year old iPhones are absolutely able to upgrade to iOS 17 and receive this feature, all the way back to iPhone 8. That said, I do wish Apple had their browser set up like Google does with a complete upgrade possible via the App Store. It feels unnecessary to completely tie it to the OS version.

pmontra 2y ago
I don't know how iOS works but if it was an app would other browsers be able to use Safari's rendering engine? There is also the lower functionality JS engine that Apple forces those browsers to use (if I'm not mistaken.)
- afavour 2y ago
  The way it works on Android is that the system web view is an "app" (though not one you can launch) that updates via the Play Store. Any app using webviews automatically gets the upgraded experience whenever that app gets upgraded.
  - jimbobthrowawy 2y ago
    > though not one you can launch Try the app "Activity launcher" on your phone some time. Lets you open any Activity (android class that apps are composed of) on your device.
monsieurbanana 2y ago
Is it recommended to update iOS with old phones? Not recommended by Apple, actually recommended as in it won't slow your phone to a crawl.

JimDabell 2y ago

All iPhones going all the way back to 2018 can upgrade to iOS 17 right now. 66% of all active iPhones are already on iOS 17, 23% are on iOS 16, and only 11% use anything older. People upgrade iOS fairly quickly and it’s uncommon to support anything more than the two most recent major versions. So it’s more like one year, not five. https://developer.apple.com/support/app-store/ https://developer.apple.com/support/app-store/

robertoandred 2y ago

Ignorance, or just anti-Apple lies? This is pure misinformation and hurts web development.

globalise83 2y ago
Practical experience having to build workarounds to support Safari users whose browser versions don't support modern web APIs.