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Technology is going to keep marching forward as it always has. Most of the gadgets being destroyed in the ad are fairly recent innovations. And they had already

by Satam 2y ago

Technology is going to keep marching forward as it always has. Most of the gadgets being destroyed in the ad are fairly recent innovations. And they had already done their fair share of disruption too. Speakers made live music less necessary, cameras made portrait painting less popular, and typewriters started the slow death of handwriting. Should we mourn their technological predecessors or recognize we live in an ever-changing world we've only seen a small snapshot of? And so ad where a guitar and some camera lenses are destroyed isn't "soul-crushing". Saying that is being overly dramatic.

maxbond 2y ago
If you think that the reason people play guitar is that they haven't come across a better piece of technology, then I think you fundamentally misunderstand. I think these people simply value certain experiences and ways of relating to the world that you don't value (which is not a criticism, that's fine). Maybe it would seem less like an overreaction to you if you shared their values. Maybe you would have a more interesting time if you tried to understand what those values were instead of trying to explain to people why they're wrong for holding them. ETA: I think this nugget of wisdom from Pirate Software is good to keep in mind. https://youtube.com/shorts/S9xrkjUXuUM https://youtube.com/shorts/S9xrkjUXuUM People frequently express themselves in ways that are infuriating and unhelpful (myself included, embarrassingly often). Learning to cut through the noise and learn from them despite that is a valuable social skill. We can't change the fact that people act this way, but we can decide how we will receive and respond to it.
- Satam 2y ago
  I understand we do these things because we find enjoyment in them. But none of these instruments and gadgets are even going extinct. There might be real shifts happening in our culture but at the end of the day this is just an ad. The emotional baggage that causes someone to be hurt by this should probably be handled at a personal level. And thanks for sharing your thoughts. There isn't anything you said I'd disagree with. My original point was quite simple: people shouldn't be so soft. Although, I guess that's not really helpful and me saying that won't flip a switch in someone's head.
  - maxbond 2y ago
    Appreciate you taking the time to consider. I just feel I should note: > I understand we do these things because we find enjoyment in them. It's not that people enjoy making art (though they usually do). People have a much more profound relationship to art than that. I'll try to illustrate in a way that's more grokkable to the technically inclined. Once I was injured and couldn't use a computer other than a phone for 10 months. I was very frustrated and depressed. I felt like I had lost access to a part of myself. There were definitely moments that were soul crushing. In particular times when I couldn't get software to work, because I couldn't even extract an error message or any relevant telemetry from the confines of a nerfed operating system, so I couldn't even begin to troubleshoot. I wasn't accustomed to my computer being a black box I couldn't interrogate. It ran counter to my image of myself and my abilities. One time, several years later, a friend almost spilled wine on my ergonomic keyboard (which I absolutely need to use a computer after my injury). I told them to be careful. They pretended to spill it again. I told them that absolutely wasn't funny to me. They told me I was overreacting. Do you think that's because I enjoy using Linux and writing Python? Or do you think there could be a bit more than that going on?
johnnyanmac 2y ago
So you open up asking someone for their opinion, and in the next comment you dismiss it with "well you can't stop it". I'd rather not beat around the bush if you simply wanted to disagree with a user instead of pretending to seek out an alternative POV. >Should we mourn their technological predecessors or recognize we live in an ever-changing world we've only seen a small snapshot of? You can still buy vinyl records today that work in a phonograph made in the 60's. It is hard (but not impossible) to truly "kill off" old mediums. It definitely can't be done on the order of decades. No one's mourning the death of music, because music isn't dead. And you don't get to tell people how they should react and feel to media.
- Satam 2y ago
  It was a rhetorical question. I can't force people to feel a certain way but I can certainly say that they're being overly dramatic. And right, exactly, none of these things are actually extinct yet, so why dramatize? And if at some point they die off, it won't be Apple that caused it. It will happen because people stop caring, practising and using the things in question.
  - alt227 2y ago
    > so why dramatize? You dont have the right to tell other people how they should feel and react to things based on your own thoughts and opinions.
    - stale2002 2y ago
      Actually, yes we do have the right to make fun of people who are acting overly dramatic. Its ironic, because you too are telling people how to act and feel, by telling them that they can't do that.
      - maxbond 2y ago
        "You have no right" here means you have no moral right, not a legal right. Yes, you have every right to make fun of people. But it is a jerk move. It's the prototypical jerk move. As for hypocrisy - if someone says, "you're acting like a jerk" and you say, "I have every right to make fun of you," you're not going to be able to convince me these are equivalent positions.
alt227 2y ago
> Saying that is being overly dramatic. ...In your opinion.
whywhywhywhy 2y ago
From a tech person POV the big difference is I buy a camera I can do what I want on it, I buy and iPad and have to pay Apple a tax for all computing that goes through it.
danjoredd 2y ago
Tone deaf responses like this are a big reason why resentment is building towards Silicon Valley.

by Satam 2y ago

maxbond 2y ago

If you think that the reason people play guitar is that they haven't come across a better piece of technology, then I think you fundamentally misunderstand. I think these people simply value certain experiences and ways of relating to the world that you don't value (which is not a criticism, that's fine). Maybe it would seem less like an overreaction to you if you shared their values. Maybe you would have a more interesting time if you tried to understand what those values were instead of trying to explain to people why they're wrong for holding them. ETA: I think this nugget of wisdom from Pirate Software is good to keep in mind. https://youtube.com/shorts/S9xrkjUXuUM https://youtube.com/shorts/S9xrkjUXuUM People frequently express themselves in ways that are infuriating and unhelpful (myself included, embarrassingly often). Learning to cut through the noise and learn from them despite that is a valuable social skill. We can't change the fact that people act this way, but we can decide how we will receive and respond to it.

Satam 2y ago
I understand we do these things because we find enjoyment in them. But none of these instruments and gadgets are even going extinct. There might be real shifts happening in our culture but at the end of the day this is just an ad. The emotional baggage that causes someone to be hurt by this should probably be handled at a personal level. And thanks for sharing your thoughts. There isn't anything you said I'd disagree with. My original point was quite simple: people shouldn't be so soft. Although, I guess that's not really helpful and me saying that won't flip a switch in someone's head.
- maxbond 2y ago
  Appreciate you taking the time to consider. I just feel I should note: > I understand we do these things because we find enjoyment in them. It's not that people enjoy making art (though they usually do). People have a much more profound relationship to art than that. I'll try to illustrate in a way that's more grokkable to the technically inclined. Once I was injured and couldn't use a computer other than a phone for 10 months. I was very frustrated and depressed. I felt like I had lost access to a part of myself. There were definitely moments that were soul crushing. In particular times when I couldn't get software to work, because I couldn't even extract an error message or any relevant telemetry from the confines of a nerfed operating system, so I couldn't even begin to troubleshoot. I wasn't accustomed to my computer being a black box I couldn't interrogate. It ran counter to my image of myself and my abilities. One time, several years later, a friend almost spilled wine on my ergonomic keyboard (which I absolutely need to use a computer after my injury). I told them to be careful. They pretended to spill it again. I told them that absolutely wasn't funny to me. They told me I was overreacting. Do you think that's because I enjoy using Linux and writing Python? Or do you think there could be a bit more than that going on?

johnnyanmac 2y ago

So you open up asking someone for their opinion, and in the next comment you dismiss it with "well you can't stop it". I'd rather not beat around the bush if you simply wanted to disagree with a user instead of pretending to seek out an alternative POV. >Should we mourn their technological predecessors or recognize we live in an ever-changing world we've only seen a small snapshot of? You can still buy vinyl records today that work in a phonograph made in the 60's. It is hard (but not impossible) to truly "kill off" old mediums. It definitely can't be done on the order of decades. No one's mourning the death of music, because music isn't dead. And you don't get to tell people how they should react and feel to media.

Satam 2y ago
It was a rhetorical question. I can't force people to feel a certain way but I can certainly say that they're being overly dramatic. And right, exactly, none of these things are actually extinct yet, so why dramatize? And if at some point they die off, it won't be Apple that caused it. It will happen because people stop caring, practising and using the things in question.
- alt227 2y ago
  > so why dramatize? You dont have the right to tell other people how they should feel and react to things based on your own thoughts and opinions.
  - stale2002 2y ago
    Actually, yes we do have the right to make fun of people who are acting overly dramatic. Its ironic, because you too are telling people how to act and feel, by telling them that they can't do that.
    - maxbond 2y ago
      "You have no right" here means you have no moral right, not a legal right. Yes, you have every right to make fun of people. But it is a jerk move. It's the prototypical jerk move. As for hypocrisy - if someone says, "you're acting like a jerk" and you say, "I have every right to make fun of you," you're not going to be able to convince me these are equivalent positions.

alt227 2y ago

> Saying that is being overly dramatic. ...In your opinion.

whywhywhywhy 2y ago

From a tech person POV the big difference is I buy a camera I can do what I want on it, I buy and iPad and have to pay Apple a tax for all computing that goes through it.

danjoredd 2y ago

Tone deaf responses like this are a big reason why resentment is building towards Silicon Valley.