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FWIW, I think you are absolutely right. However, my target audience isn't developers; my target is users of Perforce, which is closed source. So I think a sou

FWIW, I think you are absolutely right. However, my target audience isn't developers; my target is users of Perforce, which is closed source. So I think a source available [1] VCS will be palatable for that audience. I could be wrong, though. [1]: https://gavinhoward.com/2023/12/is-source-available-really-that-bad/ https://gavinhoward.com/2023/12/is-source-available-really-t...

gardaani 2y ago
Diversion is already targeting users of Perforce and game developers storing large binary files. Diversion is currently closed source, but may open source their platform in the future. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39088551 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39088551
- gavinhoward 2y ago
  Thank you for letting me know.
muststopmyths 2y ago
As a games industry (where Perforce is by far the most common VCS in a team of any reasonably significant size) person, we absolutely do not give a crap about source-available or otherwise. We want tools that work, even if we have to pay for them. None of us have time to delve into the workings of a source control system to troubleshoot problems instead of working on our .. work. Sorry if it sounds harsh as that is not my intent. My suggestion is you spend much more time on making sure your system is reliable and has proper support (even if paid) instead. Bonus points for easy GUI interfaces that artists and designers can use without shooting themselves (and their team!) in the foot. No one loves Perforce, but it works well enough and nothing else come close to it for the games industry.
- gavinhoward 2y ago
  No offense taken, and you are absolutely right. Yes, it has to work first, and I intend to do that. And I surely will have paid support; that will be my bread and butter. I was also going to have a web UI through the browser or a TUI. I merely mentioned source available vs Perforce to show that my VCS could make money, if I made it right.
  - muststopmyths 2y ago
    Ideally, you want a self-hosted mode (no cloud-only) and a native UI. Even if as stretch goals. We don't like our source, and more importantly assets, hosted outside our control and native UIs are just better. Good luck !
    - gavinhoward 2y ago
      Self-hosted will be the default, absolutely. Native UI will be much harder... Thank you!

gardaani 2y ago

Diversion is already targeting users of Perforce and game developers storing large binary files. Diversion is currently closed source, but may open source their platform in the future. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39088551 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39088551

gavinhoward 2y ago
Thank you for letting me know.

muststopmyths 2y ago

As a games industry (where Perforce is by far the most common VCS in a team of any reasonably significant size) person, we absolutely do not give a crap about source-available or otherwise. We want tools that work, even if we have to pay for them. None of us have time to delve into the workings of a source control system to troubleshoot problems instead of working on our .. work. Sorry if it sounds harsh as that is not my intent. My suggestion is you spend much more time on making sure your system is reliable and has proper support (even if paid) instead. Bonus points for easy GUI interfaces that artists and designers can use without shooting themselves (and their team!) in the foot. No one loves Perforce, but it works well enough and nothing else come close to it for the games industry.

gavinhoward 2y ago
No offense taken, and you are absolutely right. Yes, it has to work first, and I intend to do that. And I surely will have paid support; that will be my bread and butter. I was also going to have a web UI through the browser or a TUI. I merely mentioned source available vs Perforce to show that my VCS could make money, if I made it right.
- muststopmyths 2y ago
  Ideally, you want a self-hosted mode (no cloud-only) and a native UI. Even if as stretch goals. We don't like our source, and more importantly assets, hosted outside our control and native UIs are just better. Good luck !
  - gavinhoward 2y ago
    Self-hosted will be the default, absolutely. Native UI will be much harder... Thank you!