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> Not being able to work offline at all seems like somewhat of an issue. I agree. If it's intended to be a web-based system, why not have it running as a webse

> Not being able to work offline at all seems like somewhat of an issue. I agree. If it's intended to be a web-based system, why not have it running as a webserver on your local machine? Also, the intention is to have a GUI, or rather 4 or 5 seeparate GUIs: > Grace will have a native GUI app for Windows, Mac, Android, and iOS. (And probably Linux.) But if you're having a web UI, why have a GUI as well? It is just extra work, and it is quite likely that the UI for these tools won't be the same, potentially making them harder to learn.

SBArbeit 2y ago
The intention is that they'll be identical, because they'll be written using Avalonia. And I hate Electron. I hate it so much. I hate the web pages that I'm being told are "apps". I hate the lack of keyboard shortcut support. I hate the bad performance. I hate how it's not stick-to-your-finger fast. I hate owning unbelievably powerful computers and mobile devices and not taking advantage of their power and capabilities, and just reducing them to surfaces for fake "apps". I refuse to not deliver native apps with Grace.
- kstrauser 2y ago
  This we can agree on. Thanks for making that a design goal!
- PontifexMinimus 2y ago
  > And I hate Electron I'm not a fan of it either. When I say have a web UI, I don't mean electron, I mean the program runs as a web server on some port your local machine and you point you web browser at it. I don't think electron should exist. > I hate the lack of keyboard shortcut support And I hate the existence of keyboard shortcuts, or at least hard-to-discover ones. On a daily basis I accidentally press keys (I've no idea which ones) that make my windows misbehave. I also don't think I should have to learn keyboard shortcuts -- interfaces should be discoverable and not require you to memorise stuff. > I hate the bad performance. Then use a text UI not a GUI. Back in the day, Borland made extensive use of these for Turbo Pascal and they worked well and looked good. As a bonus (like a web app) they can run easily on an external machine. > I hate how it's not stick-to-your-finger fast. I've used git for years and before it other source control systems. I don't remember a single instance where the slowness of the source control system was ever a factor.
- robertlagrant 2y ago
  Don't Electron keyboard shortcuts[0] do what you want? [0] https://pbelay.github.io/electron/tutorial/keyboard-shortcuts.html https://pbelay.github.io/electron/tutorial/keyboard-shortcut...

SBArbeit 2y ago

The intention is that they'll be identical, because they'll be written using Avalonia. And I hate Electron. I hate it so much. I hate the web pages that I'm being told are "apps". I hate the lack of keyboard shortcut support. I hate the bad performance. I hate how it's not stick-to-your-finger fast. I hate owning unbelievably powerful computers and mobile devices and not taking advantage of their power and capabilities, and just reducing them to surfaces for fake "apps". I refuse to not deliver native apps with Grace.

kstrauser 2y ago
This we can agree on. Thanks for making that a design goal!
PontifexMinimus 2y ago
> And I hate Electron I'm not a fan of it either. When I say have a web UI, I don't mean electron, I mean the program runs as a web server on some port your local machine and you point you web browser at it. I don't think electron should exist. > I hate the lack of keyboard shortcut support And I hate the existence of keyboard shortcuts, or at least hard-to-discover ones. On a daily basis I accidentally press keys (I've no idea which ones) that make my windows misbehave. I also don't think I should have to learn keyboard shortcuts -- interfaces should be discoverable and not require you to memorise stuff. > I hate the bad performance. Then use a text UI not a GUI. Back in the day, Borland made extensive use of these for Turbo Pascal and they worked well and looked good. As a bonus (like a web app) they can run easily on an external machine. > I hate how it's not stick-to-your-finger fast. I've used git for years and before it other source control systems. I don't remember a single instance where the slowness of the source control system was ever a factor.
robertlagrant 2y ago
Don't Electron keyboard shortcuts[0] do what you want? [0] https://pbelay.github.io/electron/tutorial/keyboard-shortcuts.html https://pbelay.github.io/electron/tutorial/keyboard-shortcut...