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A million stands the Australian government could have taken on the global stage and this is the one that they choose. I feel so embarrassed these days and I did

A million stands the Australian government could have taken on the global stage and this is the one that they choose. I feel so embarrassed these days and I didn't even vote for these people (nor the Coalition might I add).

mdp2021 2y ago
> I didn't even vote for these people Have you not? One of my disagreements with the Australian ways is that - to the best of my information - you are obliged, during voting, to express your preference for _all_ candidates - as a ranking voting system mandating the inclusion of all the options in the list of preferences. So, if you had, "good, acceptable, bad, unacceptable, areyoujoking", you are mandated to implicitly express some degree of preference including "unacceptable" and "areyoujoking" - which is absurd.
- SuperNinKenDo 2y ago
  I expected this nit-pick to come sooner. Yes, technically my preferences devolved to them at some point, and yes, Labor were a few steps from the bottom while the Coalition were a few steps closer to the bottom. The preferencing system is great and I would not suggest that there is anything seriously wrong with it. Primary votes are counted separately, so there's still information available to challenge notions of popular mandate if it's important. While part of me does wish there was some way of signalling that I want my preferences to stip devolving at a certain point, I'd take this over most other systems any day of the week.
  - mdp2021 2y ago
    > nit-pick Or, extremely critical detail, suggesting potential core roots between broken policies and broken systems. > I'd take this over most other systems "A blow in the head vs a poke in the eye" (Monty Python). We should engineer well made systems. I have all the bells ringing in alarm in front of that system, going "Why did you early-stop ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!". Or do you have literature why mathematics forced that set of rules? Preference ranking based systems in history did not impose ranking all the options. Relevant Literature: George Szpiro - Numbers Rule: The Vexing Mathematics of Democracy, from Plato to the Present https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691139944/numbers-rule https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691139944/nu...

mdp2021 2y ago

> I didn't even vote for these people Have you not? One of my disagreements with the Australian ways is that - to the best of my information - you are obliged, during voting, to express your preference for _all_ candidates - as a ranking voting system mandating the inclusion of all the options in the list of preferences. So, if you had, "good, acceptable, bad, unacceptable, areyoujoking", you are mandated to implicitly express some degree of preference including "unacceptable" and "areyoujoking" - which is absurd.

SuperNinKenDo 2y ago
I expected this nit-pick to come sooner. Yes, technically my preferences devolved to them at some point, and yes, Labor were a few steps from the bottom while the Coalition were a few steps closer to the bottom. The preferencing system is great and I would not suggest that there is anything seriously wrong with it. Primary votes are counted separately, so there's still information available to challenge notions of popular mandate if it's important. While part of me does wish there was some way of signalling that I want my preferences to stip devolving at a certain point, I'd take this over most other systems any day of the week.
- mdp2021 2y ago
  > nit-pick Or, extremely critical detail, suggesting potential core roots between broken policies and broken systems. > I'd take this over most other systems "A blow in the head vs a poke in the eye" (Monty Python). We should engineer well made systems. I have all the bells ringing in alarm in front of that system, going "Why did you early-stop ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!". Or do you have literature why mathematics forced that set of rules? Preference ranking based systems in history did not impose ranking all the options. Relevant Literature: George Szpiro - Numbers Rule: The Vexing Mathematics of Democracy, from Plato to the Present https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691139944/numbers-rule https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691139944/nu...