> You are still dramatically underestimating the density of hydrocarbon energy. Solar, electric, batteries, etc do not even remotely come close. I never mentio

> You are still dramatically underestimating the density of hydrocarbon energy. Solar, electric, batteries, etc do not even remotely come close. I never mentioned hydrocarbon energy. You keep bringing it up for some reason. > Solar, electric, batteries, etc do not even remotely come close. I don't need them to come close. I need them to do the job, and they do it > This line of thinking also dramatically underestimates the energy requirement to excavate dirt and rock... here are some electric, battery powered excavators: - https://www.volvoce.com/europe/en/products/electric-machines/ec230-electric/ https://www.volvoce.com/europe/en/products/electric-machines... - https://www.wackerneuson.cz/en/zero-emission/electric-excavators/tracked-zero-tail-excavator-ez17e https://www.wackerneuson.cz/en/zero-emission/electric-excava... - https://www.komatsu.jp/en/newsroom/2023/20230721 https://www.komatsu.jp/en/newsroom/2023/20230721 - https://www.jcb.com/en-us/products/compact-excavators/19c-1e https://www.jcb.com/en-us/products/compact-excavators/19c-1e - https://www.bobcat.com/na/en/equipment/excavators/compact-excavators/e10e https://www.bobcat.com/na/en/equipment/excavators/compact-ex... - https://www.volvoce.com/europe/en/products/electric-machines/ https://www.volvoce.com/europe/en/products/electric-machines... - https://www.hitachicm.com/eu/en/onsite/article/Introduction_to_two_new_Hitachi_electric_excavators2/ https://www.hitachicm.com/eu/en/onsite/article/Introduction_... - https://www.casece.com/en/europe/products/excavators/d-series-mini-excavators/cx15ev https://www.casece.com/en/europe/products/excavators/d-serie... - https://www.kubota.com/news/2023/20231218.html https://www.kubota.com/news/2023/20231218.html There are excavators both small and big so yes you can definetely excavate using electricity alone. > dust storms that have already killed solar-powered rovers Looking at list here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_rover https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_rover I guess you talk about Zhurong and Opportunity? Both of these seems like success story given that they survived way longer than they were expected to..