>People who do believe in free will make an argument that regardless of the input state, the individual always has a choice what course they take, and is respon

>People who do believe in free will make an argument that regardless of the input state, the individual always has a choice what course they take, and is responsible for those decision My point is that even with free will, you have to have some difference in input to get different output. Normally people invoke metaphysics, but even if you have a soul making the choice, it still has inputs (good soul/bad soul). It is a different object making the choice, but changes nothing about the choice itself. I think the inside/outside of control argument is arbitrary with respect to responsibility. If you simply look at inputs and output actions, it doesnt matter what goes on the black box. It doesnt matter if it is biology, chemistry, or a soul, you still have a black box that takes inputs and executes an action. A black box selects an action, no mater the mechanism. The black box is the causal link, independent of "control" or "not". I'm not a philosophy expert, but this position reminds me consequentialism and Kantian ideas. I think it renders the different positions on free will/choice as distinctions without a difference. Doing something bad because you were programed to it is no better than doing something bad because you chose to. It doesn't matter if the capos made a choice, were predetermined, or could have done different if they were raised by a loving mother instead.