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Palantir Supplies Israel with New Tools Since Hamas War Started

48 points by zhengiszen 2y ago

myth_drannon 2y ago
The words of President Zelenski apply to Israel's case too (with some re-wording) "We need ammo, not apps"
- BriggyDwiggs42 2y ago
  Please no they don’t need more bombs
- squarefoot 2y ago
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bhouston 2y ago
War is great business for Palantir. But as a business do you ever question whether you are doing the right thing from a moral standpoint? Would Palantir stop doing business with Israel if the ICJ found it was committing genocide or if the ICC issued warrants for the arrest of Israel's leaders?
- westmeal 2y ago
  absolutely not
- ufo 2y ago
  I don't put a lot of faith in a company literally named after the espionage tools of an evil wizard.
  - dbt00 2y ago
    I haven’t worked there in 8+ years, but when I was there we all understood the object lesson and took it seriously. Palantir is the Quenya word for far-seeing, it has many uses beyond the seeing stones. Moreover the seeing stones (palantiri) were tools that always told you the truth but were still able to be bent to Sauron’s will. You may disagree with their moral calculus on Gaza and Israel, but Karp has been very clear about what he thinks about defending Israel and why. He’s not casually entering the conflict for profit.
    - 11101010001100 2y ago
      Sure it is not casual. War is serious business!
    - racional 2y ago
      Does his being "clear" about his reasons for supporting the Gaza operation (or the fact that he's not primarily in it for the money) give him a pass?
- BriggyDwiggs42 2y ago
  Welllllllll they wouuuld but i mean, where they gonna get that dollar green??
- lupusreal 2y ago
  > But as a business do you ever question whether you are doing the right thing from a moral standpoint? Some people obviously do, but Palantir? Lol. Lmao even.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > Would Palantir stop doing business with Israel if the ICJ found it was committing genocide While the United States is not a party to the Rome Statute, many countries Palantir operates in are [1], and coöperating after a conviction would open up individual Palantir employees to conviction under U.S. law [2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_Parties_to_the_Rome_Statute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_Parties_to_the_Rome_Sta... [2] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1091 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1091
drooby 2y ago
"Warfare in this century will continue to be transformed by software. Many fear the application of artificial intelligence in the military context, including its potential to make possible more autonomous and indeed self-directed weapons systems. It has been less fashionable, however, to note that software, including the systems that currently enable target selection and mission planning, has become as vital to the elimination of an adversary as it is to protecting the innocent from harm. The platforms in use by our defense and intelligence partners present a very real threat to the survival of our enemies. But those same software systems may also make possible and indeed hasten the beginning of the end of an era of total and indiscriminate war." - Alex Karp, Q1 Letter to Shareholders
- outside1234 2y ago
  And the reality: https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/ https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/
- emchammer 2y ago
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  - someotherperson 2y ago
    > Hamas had Ethernet cables leading from their data center, up a hole to UNRWA's switches Let's not echo this as fact, considering there is quite literally no evidence for this provided. We see a power cable and a PBX setup, and the IDF has refused to provide further proof. When these things are investigated with the limited information available, they end up with contrary conclusions[0] to what the IDF claims. [0] https://threadreaderapp.com/scrolly/1758548577893396578 https://threadreaderapp.com/scrolly/1758548577893396578
    - emchammer 2y ago
      I am not echoing it as fact. I saw photos with chopped Ethernet cables, and I saw the IDF's two videos related to that borehole. Those punch-down blocks pictures on the Internet sleuth site could go either way. It's fine to punch down Ethernet, and I have done so personally. I have also tested the limits of Ethernet's transmission range. It could definitely work within a few hundred meters of UNRWA's building. The underground power cables referred to in the spreadsheet are for 220 kV transmission lines, which are completely different from 400 V power used in data centers. Technicians don't need workstations except maybe for bootstrapping. Everybody uses laptops these days. Why would the data center be sending power upwards to the building?
jupp0r 2y ago
https://archive.is/d9Jho https://archive.is/d9Jho
newsclues 2y ago
Will be interesting to see where the software developed for the Ukraine war ends up.
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henriquez 2y ago
Reeee

48 points by zhengiszen 2y ago

myth_drannon 2y ago

The words of President Zelenski apply to Israel's case too (with some re-wording) "We need ammo, not apps"

BriggyDwiggs42 2y ago
Please no they don’t need more bombs
squarefoot 2y ago
[flagged]

bhouston 2y ago

War is great business for Palantir. But as a business do you ever question whether you are doing the right thing from a moral standpoint? Would Palantir stop doing business with Israel if the ICJ found it was committing genocide or if the ICC issued warrants for the arrest of Israel's leaders?

westmeal 2y ago
absolutely not
ufo 2y ago
I don't put a lot of faith in a company literally named after the espionage tools of an evil wizard.
- dbt00 2y ago
  I haven’t worked there in 8+ years, but when I was there we all understood the object lesson and took it seriously. Palantir is the Quenya word for far-seeing, it has many uses beyond the seeing stones. Moreover the seeing stones (palantiri) were tools that always told you the truth but were still able to be bent to Sauron’s will. You may disagree with their moral calculus on Gaza and Israel, but Karp has been very clear about what he thinks about defending Israel and why. He’s not casually entering the conflict for profit.
  - 11101010001100 2y ago
    Sure it is not casual. War is serious business!
  - racional 2y ago
    Does his being "clear" about his reasons for supporting the Gaza operation (or the fact that he's not primarily in it for the money) give him a pass?
BriggyDwiggs42 2y ago
Welllllllll they wouuuld but i mean, where they gonna get that dollar green??
lupusreal 2y ago
> But as a business do you ever question whether you are doing the right thing from a moral standpoint? Some people obviously do, but Palantir? Lol. Lmao even.
JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> Would Palantir stop doing business with Israel if the ICJ found it was committing genocide While the United States is not a party to the Rome Statute, many countries Palantir operates in are [1], and coöperating after a conviction would open up individual Palantir employees to conviction under U.S. law [2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_Parties_to_the_Rome_Statute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_Parties_to_the_Rome_Sta... [2] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1091 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1091

drooby 2y ago

"Warfare in this century will continue to be transformed by software. Many fear the application of artificial intelligence in the military context, including its potential to make possible more autonomous and indeed self-directed weapons systems. It has been less fashionable, however, to note that software, including the systems that currently enable target selection and mission planning, has become as vital to the elimination of an adversary as it is to protecting the innocent from harm. The platforms in use by our defense and intelligence partners present a very real threat to the survival of our enemies. But those same software systems may also make possible and indeed hasten the beginning of the end of an era of total and indiscriminate war." - Alex Karp, Q1 Letter to Shareholders

outside1234 2y ago
And the reality: https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/ https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/
emchammer 2y ago
[flagged]
- someotherperson 2y ago
  > Hamas had Ethernet cables leading from their data center, up a hole to UNRWA's switches Let's not echo this as fact, considering there is quite literally no evidence for this provided. We see a power cable and a PBX setup, and the IDF has refused to provide further proof. When these things are investigated with the limited information available, they end up with contrary conclusions[0] to what the IDF claims. [0] https://threadreaderapp.com/scrolly/1758548577893396578 https://threadreaderapp.com/scrolly/1758548577893396578
  - emchammer 2y ago
    I am not echoing it as fact. I saw photos with chopped Ethernet cables, and I saw the IDF's two videos related to that borehole. Those punch-down blocks pictures on the Internet sleuth site could go either way. It's fine to punch down Ethernet, and I have done so personally. I have also tested the limits of Ethernet's transmission range. It could definitely work within a few hundred meters of UNRWA's building. The underground power cables referred to in the spreadsheet are for 220 kV transmission lines, which are completely different from 400 V power used in data centers. Technicians don't need workstations except maybe for bootstrapping. Everybody uses laptops these days. Why would the data center be sending power upwards to the building?

jupp0r 2y ago

https://archive.is/d9Jho https://archive.is/d9Jho

newsclues 2y ago

Will be interesting to see where the software developed for the Ukraine war ends up.

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henriquez 2y ago

Reeee