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Eurovision statistics analysis, and an apology to the people of Malta

66 points by mewo2 14y ago

forza 14y ago
Somewhat awkward that Sweden had already won after 35 of 42 countries had presented their votes.
sschueller 14y ago
I'm sorry but that song by Sweden was just awful. Ok, not as bad as the singing grannies from Russian but still awful.
- ColMustard 14y ago
  Here in Sweden it has already been played way too much on the radio, so imagine my horror when we won :( Now they'll play it even more...
  - mjwalshe 14y ago
    you just need to do what Ireland did in 2008 and do a Swedish version of Dustin the turkey with "Irlande Douze Pointe" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mogesoyp8HY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mogesoyp8HY
- mindblink 14y ago
  Yeah, the Swedish entry was heavily favored, so imagine my surprise when I actually heard that song.
- ticks 14y ago
  For me, it was the most memorable. That's the key to winning: something that hits you instantly and sticks with you. It was simple, it played up to a genre preference of Western Europe and the performance was unique in comparison to other acts.
- hetman 14y ago
  I on the other hand rather liked it. I think it's rather odd to expect everyone to share one's own taste in music.
- tkahn6 14y ago
  Pretty much every song was hilariously bad to the point where I think everyone was trying to lose so they didn't have to host it next year.
  - patrickk 14y ago
    The whole tournament is hilariously bad. It's hard to believe anyone takes it seriously. Could you imagine the headlines if Greece won? "Germany hosts Eurovision 2013...in Greece." and so on.
    - willvarfar 14y ago
      I believe Spain asked not to win.
      - 1880 14y ago
        It was a joke from the singer, taken out of context: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.publico.es%2Ftelevisionygente%2F434336%2Fpastora-soler-niega-que-rtve-le-haya-pedido-que-no-gane-eurovision&act=url http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&js...
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    - jonke 14y ago
      Well, most west of Bryssel don't 'get' the EuroVison. I keep seeing it (using my kids as an excuse) but I usually don't like the music. So why is it so popular? Maybe it's a cold war thing? We who lived at the border to the Iron curtain have a rather different view to the eastern europe than Uk. So to compete with them in a 'no big deal' contest is relaxing (no war this year). The voting is part of the game and could maybe be done in several other ways if one truly consider the outcome to be important, which is not. To participate is the goal. (as a side note, swedes always give the 8/10/12p to the song that in some way could have some connection to Sweden, this year the Cyprus contribution was written by two swedes I think)
- mattiask 14y ago
  Obviously Eurovision is something of a subgenre which is more about its own "brand" of music rather than for established artists (otherwise we'd just send Robyn and win every year). If you see it as the Pride festival for music it makes a lot more sense. Feel free to vote this post UP-UP-UP-UP
- Kiro 14y ago
  I think it's one of the best songs I've heard in a very long time.
rospaya 14y ago
> I don’t think anyone west of Vienna truly understands turbo-folk as a musical genre. Even on the other side we try not to.
hetman 14y ago
I think there's another variable the model can't really account for (and I'm surprised wasn't mentioned much in the article, though perhaps it was already covered previously). People actually do like some songs better than others. I expect that what friendships actually do is strongly modulate this like/dislike for particular songs. Based on the kind of music favoured in Europe that would probably go a long way explain why Sweden did so well and Norway did so terribly.
- mtts 14y ago
  In earlier articles the "quality" of the song was in fact accounted for - if a song did better in the semi finals than its position within the network of countries giving each other points by default warranted, it was considered to be a better song. That said, while the predictions had Sweden on top, it also had Norway in third place. Obviously the effect of a song being good isn't as strong as this model thinks. The top three had two countries that have lots of friends, Russia and Serbia, that had not-too-terrible songs that therefore managed to scrape away points even from countries that aren't friends.
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aluhut 14y ago
What I always find interesting was the differences between "the charts" and the results of the Eurovision Song Contest. Like this time, we saw the "charty" songs somewhere in the middle while really strange stuff came up. How does this happen? Do only people call there who do not like the chart stuff coming from the US or sounding like the usual mainstream? Or do maybe really less people like the music that is played on the radio? For me, I don't call for any shows on TV. In this case I would have propably called for the russian babuszkas because they were funny. I don't like the stuff that german mainstream radios play here and most of the songs on the usual chartlists are crap in my eyes (or ears). So I can't really make up a solution by myself.
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66 points by mewo2 14y ago

forza 14y ago

Somewhat awkward that Sweden had already won after 35 of 42 countries had presented their votes.

sschueller 14y ago

I'm sorry but that song by Sweden was just awful. Ok, not as bad as the singing grannies from Russian but still awful.

ColMustard 14y ago
Here in Sweden it has already been played way too much on the radio, so imagine my horror when we won :( Now they'll play it even more...
- mjwalshe 14y ago
  you just need to do what Ireland did in 2008 and do a Swedish version of Dustin the turkey with "Irlande Douze Pointe" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mogesoyp8HY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mogesoyp8HY
mindblink 14y ago
Yeah, the Swedish entry was heavily favored, so imagine my surprise when I actually heard that song.
ticks 14y ago
For me, it was the most memorable. That's the key to winning: something that hits you instantly and sticks with you. It was simple, it played up to a genre preference of Western Europe and the performance was unique in comparison to other acts.
hetman 14y ago
I on the other hand rather liked it. I think it's rather odd to expect everyone to share one's own taste in music.
tkahn6 14y ago
Pretty much every song was hilariously bad to the point where I think everyone was trying to lose so they didn't have to host it next year.
- patrickk 14y ago
  The whole tournament is hilariously bad. It's hard to believe anyone takes it seriously. Could you imagine the headlines if Greece won? "Germany hosts Eurovision 2013...in Greece." and so on.
  - willvarfar 14y ago
    I believe Spain asked not to win.
    - 1880 14y ago
      It was a joke from the singer, taken out of context: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.publico.es%2Ftelevisionygente%2F434336%2Fpastora-soler-niega-que-rtve-le-haya-pedido-que-no-gane-eurovision&act=url http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&js...
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  - jonke 14y ago
    Well, most west of Bryssel don't 'get' the EuroVison. I keep seeing it (using my kids as an excuse) but I usually don't like the music. So why is it so popular? Maybe it's a cold war thing? We who lived at the border to the Iron curtain have a rather different view to the eastern europe than Uk. So to compete with them in a 'no big deal' contest is relaxing (no war this year). The voting is part of the game and could maybe be done in several other ways if one truly consider the outcome to be important, which is not. To participate is the goal. (as a side note, swedes always give the 8/10/12p to the song that in some way could have some connection to Sweden, this year the Cyprus contribution was written by two swedes I think)
mattiask 14y ago
Obviously Eurovision is something of a subgenre which is more about its own "brand" of music rather than for established artists (otherwise we'd just send Robyn and win every year). If you see it as the Pride festival for music it makes a lot more sense. Feel free to vote this post UP-UP-UP-UP
Kiro 14y ago
I think it's one of the best songs I've heard in a very long time.

rospaya 14y ago

> I don’t think anyone west of Vienna truly understands turbo-folk as a musical genre. Even on the other side we try not to.

hetman 14y ago

I think there's another variable the model can't really account for (and I'm surprised wasn't mentioned much in the article, though perhaps it was already covered previously). People actually do like some songs better than others. I expect that what friendships actually do is strongly modulate this like/dislike for particular songs. Based on the kind of music favoured in Europe that would probably go a long way explain why Sweden did so well and Norway did so terribly.

mtts 14y ago
In earlier articles the "quality" of the song was in fact accounted for - if a song did better in the semi finals than its position within the network of countries giving each other points by default warranted, it was considered to be a better song. That said, while the predictions had Sweden on top, it also had Norway in third place. Obviously the effect of a song being good isn't as strong as this model thinks. The top three had two countries that have lots of friends, Russia and Serbia, that had not-too-terrible songs that therefore managed to scrape away points even from countries that aren't friends.
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aluhut 14y ago

What I always find interesting was the differences between "the charts" and the results of the Eurovision Song Contest. Like this time, we saw the "charty" songs somewhere in the middle while really strange stuff came up. How does this happen? Do only people call there who do not like the chart stuff coming from the US or sounding like the usual mainstream? Or do maybe really less people like the music that is played on the radio? For me, I don't call for any shows on TV. In this case I would have propably called for the russian babuszkas because they were funny. I don't like the stuff that german mainstream radios play here and most of the songs on the usual chartlists are crap in my eyes (or ears). So I can't really make up a solution by myself.

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